Liam McBean

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Id rather have him than TV at moment

Its official for me, a turning point, PRE is more frustrating than the side. I take that as a positive

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Tooth pick arms will get monstered.

I sick of this crap. I posted this on another thread on Beenie:

I'm not saying we should necessarily rush him in.
I'm not saying he's built like Plugger
But I really can't abide this attitude. Plenty of players start skinny. Some are ready when the are skinny, some are not. Lets keep an open mind, as I'm sure the match committee is.

I also posted that P Salmon was as skinny when he kicked 60 goals in 10 games back in the days when backmen got away with being brutal.

 

[Collo]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Looking great but no need to hurry him. If Richmond knows what they are doing they just build him up over a few years in the VFL. Clearly not ready physically to play in the AFL yet. Won't be ready till at least 2015 I reckon.

 

[bullus_hit]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Looking great but no need to hurry him. If Richmond knows what they are doing they just build him up over a few years in the VFL. Clearly not ready physically to play in the AFL yet. Won't be ready till at least 2015 I reckon.

There wouldn't be too many talls over the past decade who have waltzed into senior football straight from u/18's, particularly skinny ones like McBean.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Looking great but no need to hurry him. If Richmond knows what they are doing they just build him up over a few years in the VFL. Clearly not ready physically to play in the AFL yet. Won't be ready till at least 2015 I reckon.

Agree with the sentiment of not rushing him, but 'at least 2015'? So thats probably 2016? Thats taking 'not rushing' to ridiculous extremes. If he is what he appears to be, a good player, he'll be getting games next year.

 

[bullus_hit]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Agree with the sentiment of not rushing him, but 'at least 2015'? So thats probably 2016? Thats taking 'not rushing' to ridiculous extremes. If he is what he appears to be, a good player, he'll be getting games next year.

That's hardly ridiculous extremes Snake, if he's to be a KP forward he'll need to beef up significantly, no need to send lambs to the slaughter. Two years in the ressies would be the bare minimum, I'd also like him to learn how to ruck, after all, that's what he was recruited for.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

If his form is demanding selection and he has a fitness base I wouldn't be against giving him games sometime this year.

The game is becoming softer and softer. You can barely touch your opponent in marking contests. If he has the talent we think he does he'd be fine. Jeremy Cameron is a rake. When Jack first started and he was plopped on a flank he was a rake. Still had impact because of skill and smarts.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

If his form is demanding selection and he has a fitness base I wouldn't be against giving him games sometime this year.

The game is becoming softer and softer. You can barely touch your opponent in marking contests. If he has the talent we think he does he'd be fine. Jeremy Cameron is a rake.

Damn right. Again, I'm not saying end the McBean farce, just saying keep an open mind. Some skinny young blokes can take the hits, some can't.

 

[tigertime2]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Round 9 vs Essendon - the birth of the Bean

 

[bullus_hit]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

If his form is demanding selection and he has a fitness base I wouldn't be against giving him games sometime this year.

Has he actually dominated a VFL match for 4 quarters?

Showing glimpses is heartening but lets not put the cart before the horse. I recall those at Coburg stating that he's still got a lot of work to do with his endurance, not to mention the strength and conditioning.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

That's hardly ridiculous extremes Snake, if he's to be a KP forward he'll need to beef up significantly, no need to send lambs to the slaughter. Two years in the ressies would be the bare minimum, I'd also like him to learn how to ruck, after all, that's what he was recruited for.

Its all a moot point anyway. He might be a superstar freak that is demanding selection by mid year, he might be a slow developer that debuts in mid 2015, he might not make it. Who knows? My point is, if he is taking contested marks, kicking bags every week and dancing around the opposition he'll demand selection no matter how skinny he looks. The match committee won't say 'no games for you until you hit 95.3 kg' or whatever.

 

[FredH]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Does anyone happen to know Salmon's weight when he first started playing? I recall that he was a beanpoll and did well as a forward - before moving into the ruck when he beafed up a bit.

However, it was a long time ago so I can't say that McBean is the same build as Salmon when he started playing. Does anyone know Salmon's stats?

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Does anyone happen to know Salmon's weight when he first started playing? I recall that he was a beanpoll and did well as a forward - before moving into the ruck when he beafed up a bit.

However, it was a long time ago so I can't say that McBean is the same build as Salmon when he started playing. Does anyone know Salmon's stats?

As I posted earlier Fred, Salmon was a 17 yo stick insect who kicked 60 odd goals in 10 odd games, he was an unstoppable beanpole. Then he did his knee

 

[FredH]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

As I posted earlier Fred, Salmon was a 17 yo stick insect who kicked 60 odd goals in 10 odd games, he was an unstoppable beanpole. Then he did his knee

Apologies Snake, I only read the current page tonight. Lets hope the similarity doesn't run to his knee.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Has he actually dominated a VFL match for 4 quarters?

Showing glimpses is heartening but lets not put the cart before the horse. I recall those at Coburg stating that he's still got a lot of work to do with his endurance, not to mention the strength and conditioning.

I agree with all that, Just reckon people might well be underestimating the timeframes for him to improve in those areas. From the reports I've read, he has aggression, desire, that could well indicate hard work. Early days I know, but there are some very wet blankets around.

 

[skiptomystu]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

Has he actually dominated a VFL match for 4 quarters?

Showing glimpses is heartening but lets not put the cart before the horse. I recall those at Coburg stating that he's still got a lot of work to do with his endurance, not to mention the strength and conditioning.

Yeah but if he put in a 4-quarter performance he'd be averaging about 8-9 goals a game haha

 

[tigertime2]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

He can mark and kick - one clunker as well - bomb them long all night long and Beany will kick 10

 

[bullus_hit]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

The match committee won't say 'no games for you until you hit 95.3 kg' or whatever.

No, but the match committee will be well aware of the pitfalls of throwing in a teenager into senior football, particularly one who is still growing and who is clearly physically immature.

As a point of reference, did you happen to see Majak Daws debut? He was singled out by Merrett and was KO'd as a result. And this is a guy who has already spent a few years in the system.

Slowly, slowly. No need to rush a guy who will hopefully be around for the next decade. We still have other players like Elton and Griffiths to develop in the seniors before McBean, the former having also greatly impressed with his contested marking.

 

[spook]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

As I posted earlier Fred, Salmon was a 17 yo stick insect who kicked 60 odd goals in 10 odd games, he was an unstoppable beanpole. Then he did his knee

He was 19 and it was 63 in 13. But he did seem unstoppable. Wasn't as skinny as Beanie though.

Tony Lockett in 1989 kicked 70 goals in the first 9 rounds before injury/suspension ruined his season. He fair dinkum was unstoppable. Might have broken the record the way he was going. He wasn't as skinny as Beanie either.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: mcbean -- birth of a legend

As a point of reference, did you happen to see Majak Daws debut? He was singled out by Merrett and was KO'd as a result. And this is a guy who has already spent a few years in the system.

I don't see what your saying here. He clashed heads with a teammate and was just unlucky. That's football it happens.