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Kraka-Jack in the slammer?
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tigerstar said:
Oh yes the theory. Forget prejudice, mistakes, power, money........
tigerstar said:
What a ridiculously silly statement. I wouldnt teach my family to get into a situation where retribution or retaliation might occur. We are not talking about an innocent party here. What upbringing did you maybe have to be so righteous in what makes people tick? Ever been involved in Aboriginal communities? Maybe then you'll vaguely understand the complexities.
Getting sick of the "he only got gaol because he's black " comments. He beat a fellow ABORIGINAL into the intensive care wing.
GoodOne said:
The key word here Goody, is complexity, and a few brains on PRE just dont have the neural connections to deal with it. Its not really their fault they see the world in black and white.
Ridley said:
Racism and desrimination is very ugly, but its a reality. To stick your head in the sand and deny it exists or ignore it is understandable, but its the attitude that is at the heart of why blacks continue to be in the situation they are in.
I didn't say 'he's only in jail 'cos he's black' either bob. If you read the posts rather than read into them what you want to read. I said the whole thing is sad. I also said I wonder what he would have got if he was a white blueblood.
I know how the system works, so do the blackfellas.
tigersnake said:
Would you mind explaining it to me please snakey. I don't have a clue what you're referring to. All I know if one of my family was beaten to the edge of death I would want the culprit jailed whether they were black, white, brindle or purple with pink polka dots.
rosy23 said:
its been talked about in the general section, so I'll answer your question but I won't debate it here.
in a nutshell, The richer and whiter you are the less harsh your sentences tend to be, and the blacker and poorer you are the longer and harsher your sentences tend to be.
I'm not making it up. Research shows its the same everywhere, The US, Canada, Latin America, and here.
Time to lock this thread and turf it Rosy.
Krakouer bashed a person to the point of near death, thus DESERVES to go to jail period.
And of course a white fella woulda got jailed Snakey - it wasnt a simple assault charge it was more serious.
Ded set sick of whinging do gooders and socialist ranting on this site its pathetic especially when they are on threads unrelated, leave it on the politics thread.
If anyone did that to a relative of mine i would want their ass thrown in the slammer also, not to mention what id to the perpetrator if i got my hands on em.
Krakouer got his right whack.
No wonder the society is going down hill when do gooders make excuses for every *smile* bag that commits murder, peddles drugs, bashes and assult people and mugs and assaults innocent and the elderly.
Over it close the thread Rosy.
Krakouer bashed a person to the point of near death, thus DESERVES to go to jail period.
And of course a white fella woulda got jailed Snakey - it wasnt a simple assault charge it was more serious.
Ded set sick of whinging do gooders and socialist ranting on this site its pathetic especially when they are on threads unrelated, leave it on the politics thread.
If anyone did that to a relative of mine i would want their ass thrown in the slammer also, not to mention what id to the perpetrator if i got my hands on em.
Krakouer got his right whack.
No wonder the society is going down hill when do gooders make excuses for every *smile* bag that commits murder, peddles drugs, bashes and assult people and mugs and assaults innocent and the elderly.
Over it close the thread Rosy.
craig said:
To hear all sides of the story would be good, not just what Krak did. I don't condone what he did but there may be reasons behind it, big reasons which sometimes makes people not be able to control themselves.
tigersnake said:
Thanks for answering. I didn't word my question very well sorry. I was wondering about your comment in relation to Krak's situation.
I don't see any connection between what the mentioned research shows and Krak being treated differently because he's aboriginal.
I'm not sure how Krak rates in terms of being "blacker", or how colour is measured even. I don't know his financial situation but I'd be surprised if he'd be considered as "poorer" when he's been on a relatively high income for several years. Also considering the maximum term for the crime he was found guilty of is 20 years he certainly didn't cop the "harsher" end of the scale there either.
I can't see how anyone could tie Krak's sentence to the colour of his skin and I think it sells the bloke short to do so. He is an Australian citizen who was found guilty of a serious crime and was sentenced accordingly imo.
I have to be careful about contributing to this sort of debate as it is a very emotive one for me. I work with kids who are disadvantaged purely by their Indigineity every day.
Firstly, let me me say that I, like you guys I'd assume, know only the media output of the Krakouer case. I find it very sad that we all feel compelled to make a judgement based purely on that, due to the often flagrant misrepresentations made in most criminal cases. Take a step back people.
Let me also say that IF Krak committed the crime the way it was reported, then his punishment need only fit within the sentencing requirements - which it obviously did. We need to trust judges to appropriately sentence in that range - as hard as that might be at times. And we don't have any evidence that the judge got it wrong in this case.
The overlay (and distraction in this thread) on this is the disadvantage of Aboriginal people in this country. Some key pieces of evidence (yes, researched and proven) are that:
* Indigenous people die on average 30 years younger than non-indigenous people.
* Sentencing of Indigenous people has been proven to be harsher than non-Indigenous people for violent crimes.
* The option of prison for Indigenous people has been proven to be less effective in reducing repeat offences than for non-Indigenous people.
* Young Indigenous people are 27 times more likely to die from assault with a sharp weapon, and 4 times more likely to die from intentional self harm.
These facts are just a part of the context in which these crimes occur. So it's my contention that we probably spend far too long comparing apples and oranges and far too long avoiding the real interventions that can change the conditions that are currently in place.
But hey, I'm probably just a socialist lefty windbag do-gooder. I prefer that to looking desperately for quick fixes based on blame, prejudice and isolated cases
Just my 5c.
Firstly, let me me say that I, like you guys I'd assume, know only the media output of the Krakouer case. I find it very sad that we all feel compelled to make a judgement based purely on that, due to the often flagrant misrepresentations made in most criminal cases. Take a step back people.
Let me also say that IF Krak committed the crime the way it was reported, then his punishment need only fit within the sentencing requirements - which it obviously did. We need to trust judges to appropriately sentence in that range - as hard as that might be at times. And we don't have any evidence that the judge got it wrong in this case.
The overlay (and distraction in this thread) on this is the disadvantage of Aboriginal people in this country. Some key pieces of evidence (yes, researched and proven) are that:
* Indigenous people die on average 30 years younger than non-indigenous people.
* Sentencing of Indigenous people has been proven to be harsher than non-Indigenous people for violent crimes.
* The option of prison for Indigenous people has been proven to be less effective in reducing repeat offences than for non-Indigenous people.
* Young Indigenous people are 27 times more likely to die from assault with a sharp weapon, and 4 times more likely to die from intentional self harm.
These facts are just a part of the context in which these crimes occur. So it's my contention that we probably spend far too long comparing apples and oranges and far too long avoiding the real interventions that can change the conditions that are currently in place.
But hey, I'm probably just a socialist lefty windbag do-gooder. I prefer that to looking desperately for quick fixes based on blame, prejudice and isolated cases
Just my 5c.
