Justice?

[Johnno_84]

Unfortunately ladies and gentlemen due to the large amount of errors made through the court systems (the lack of technology mainly to blame) by the generations before us penalties have decreased to the point where it is becoming almost laughable at the amount of time heinus crime committers are spending behind bars.

First it was a must to get rid of Capital Punishment due to the vast array of people who were dying for crimes they didnt commit.... Then life in jail turned into 25 years in jail, and now 25 years in jail is 12 with parole after 7....

The world as we knew it is no longer and its nigh on its completion, try not to worry about things out of your grasp and live your life to the fullest....

So... bring back capital punishment, Johnno?

Definately not... The reason so many people commit suicide (apart from being mentally ill) is to get out this World (or away from their problems) the quickest and easiest ways.... For mine bring back the torture chambers from Greek times i believe...

 

[Johnno_84]

Hotel guests?

Geeze I'd be ringing room service and organising a hire car. i wonder if I left my shoes outside my cell door whether they'd clean them?

Get real buddy!

Let them raom free Lefty????

 

[Liverpool]

Unfortunately ladies and gentlemen due to the large amount of errors made through the court systems (the lack of technology mainly to blame) by the generations before us penalties have decreased to the point where it is becoming almost laughable at the amount of time heinus crime committers are spending behind bars.

First it was a must to get rid of Capital Punishment due to the vast array of people who were dying for crimes they didnt commit.... Then life in jail turned into 25 years in jail, and now 25 years in jail is 12 with parole after 7....

The world as we knew it is no longer and its nigh on its completion, try not to worry about things out of your grasp and live your life to the fullest....

So... bring back capital punishment, Johnno?

Definately not... The reason so many people commit suicide (apart from being mentally ill) is to get out this World (or away from their problems) the quickest and easiest ways.... For mine bring back the torture chambers from Greek times i believe...

I think so.....death penalty for severe crimes, where there is no doubt the accused is guilty.....people like Milat, Knight, Bryant, etc.
I have no problem with that.

And while we are talking of punishment....corporal punishment for people like this...then we'll see who is laughing :


Graffiti vandal goes free
Brendan Roberts

February 20, 2007 12:00am

ANOTHER interstate graffiti vandal has escaped jail after breaking into a Melbourne train yard with 15 spray paint cans, a disguise and a video camera.
Derek Allen, 22, who sat silently in the dock during yesterday's court hearing, was full of bravado on leaving court, declaring himself a hero.
"You should be publicising me as a hero. We're all heroes," he said of graffiti vandals. "We want to have our say."
When asked if he planned to keep vandalising trains, Allen said: "I probably shouldn't say that."
Earlier this month, three NSW graffiti vandals walked free from Melbourne Magistrates' Court after admitting to a wave of train vandalism attacks.
The trio, who caused thousands of dollars in damage to Melbourne trains, were placed on community-based orders.
Allen, also from Sydney, used bolt cutters to break into the Carrum sidings -- a train holding yard in Melbourne's outer southeast -- where he planned to plaster the exteriors of trains with anti-nuclear slogans.
But his scheme was thwarted when two Connex guards spotted him boarding a stationary train carriage about 7am on Saturday.
Allen, who allegedly commands up to $800 for his artworks, was found armed with 15 spray paint cans, a video camera, bolt cutters and clothes intended to disguise his identity.
An accomplice fled and has not been caught.
It is believed Allen planned to film his "art" and show it to fellow graffiti vandals.
Lawyer Lynne Amad, for Allen, told Frankston Magistrates' Court her client was "quite a well-known artist" who was in Melbourne to paint a council-commissioned street mural.
"He comes to Melbourne about eight or nine times a year and he is about to begin work for a Melbourne council to paint a mural at a St Kilda underpass," Ms Amad said.
But Port Phillip Council spokeswoman Carmel Shute said the mural was completed last June with the help of about 150 artists from a range of community groups.
"We certainly didn't commission him to do any work for the council," Ms Shute said.
"He may have been part of the 150 people who helped create the mural at St Kilda Junction, but we certainly don't know him by name."
It is the second time Allen has been charged with graffiti vandalism in Melbourne.
He pleaded guilty in Melbourne Magistrates' Court in March last year to defacing a tram sign in St Kilda and was placed on a bond.
He pleaded guilty yesterday to criminal damage, attempted criminal damage, possessing articles intended for criminal damage, trespass and possessing articles intended for disguise.
Magistrate Christine Stewart-Thornton convicted Allen and fined him $1000 and a further $200 for breaching a bond.
Ms Stewart-Thornton said she took into account the fact Allen had served one night locked in the Frankston holding cells.
RAGE (Residents Against Graffiti Everywhere) spokesman Steve Beardon called for mandatory jail for convicted vandals.
"The sooner we hit these vandals with jail terms the better," Mr Beardon said.
"A slap on the wrist is not enough.
"They get a fine and retain the bragging rights.
"It's not enough. It's time to get tougher."

 

[Liverpool]

I hope the people out there, especially the Aboriginal so-called "stolen generation", are proud of the pickle they have placed future Aboriginal kids in
In the future, there will be Government payouts to the "UNstolen Generation"....kids who grow to be adults, who were not taken away from their abusive guardians, due to Governmental red-tape and the fact they are too scared to do the 'right thing', because of all the hoo-ha caused by the 'stolen generation' accusations.

Disgraceful!


Could tot have been kept safe?
Elissa Hunt
February 20, 2007 12:00am

A VIOLENT man who inflicted horrific injuries on his toddler nephew was given custody despite fears expressed by childcare workers that he posed a danger.
Court documents allege a magistrate deemed it more important to keep the boy with someone of the same culture.
The 20-month-old tot was in the man's care less than a month before ending up in intensive care with head injuries and his body burned and bruised.
A medical report found the boy had 25 injuries, including bone fractures, cigarette burns to his abdomen and what appeared to be a ligature mark where something was tightened around his neck.
The boy's mother was murdered by an abusive partner and Department of Human Services workers rejected the uncle -- who previously had little contact with the child -- as a suitable carer, saying the child's safety was more important than maintaining his indigenous cultural links.
But court documents claim the magistrate ruled cultural identity a priority and that a police check revealing the man's history of crime and violence was not enough to rule him out as a carer.
A child protection worker told police that the boy, who was in the house when his mother was murdered, was placed in temporary non-indigenous care but a conference with relatives was to be held in the hope of sending him to live with one of his relatives.
The uncle and his girlfriend wanted custody and the Victorian Aboriginal Child Care Agency supported their bid because of their "cultural identity" and because the couple had made positive changes in their lives.
But the worker said the DHS was against the couple's application because of adverse police checks.
According to the child protection worker's statement, a Children's Court magistrate was scathing about the DHS's management of the case and said it was "flouting legislation aimed at working with indigenous families and their children".
The statement alleges the magistrate said a poor police check was not in itself a tool for deciding someone's suitability to care for a child.
The man, 26, who cannot be identified, pleaded guilty yesterday to intentionally causing the boy serious injury in November, three weeks after he had gained temporary custody.
A statement by the man's girlfriend, tendered to Melbourne Magistrates' Court, describes how he would yell at the boy for not eating his food, making too much mess and touching things.
The man also used a leather belt to hit him on the legs or behind.
He later admitted to police he had burned the child with cigarettes and bashed him unconscious on November 7 for spitting out food.
Magistrate Barbara Cotterell remanded the man in custody pending a County Court plea hearing in May.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21254019-2862,00.html

 

[Liverpool]

A cop killer getting access to the internet at all.....what a joke!


Cop killer's web of lies
Matt Cunningham

March 29, 2007 12:00am

DOUBLE police killer Jason Roberts is running a website from his maximum-security jail cell in a heartless insult to the families of his victims.
Roberts, serving a life term over the 1998 murders of Sgt Gary Silk and Sen-Constable Rodney Miller, has established a website protesting his innocence and slamming prison authorities.
The convicted murderer rants that he was wrongly convicted and is the victim of brutal treatment.
It is believed he has dodged a jail internet ban by mailing lengthy diatribes to supporters, who post them on the website where they appear with poems and biographical information, all written in the first person.
"I am condemned if I say nothing, and no doubt I will be condemned for speaking out here," he says. "I will not let the lie of my conviction to be given substance by my silence."
In other postings, he:
DESCRIBES himself as "single and innocent".
NAMES interests including "women and freedom".
DETAILS why he went on a hunger strike.
A Corrections Victoria spokeswoman said no prisoner was allowed internet access.
"This site was set up outside the prison by someone in the community," she said.
"The person running this site should be mindful of the impact to the victims' families and the broader community.
"We call on this person to shut the site down."
Roberts and another were convicted of the 1998 murders of Silk and Miller. In February 2003, Roberts was jailed for life with a 35-year non-parole period.
A jury unanimously agreed that the pair killed Silk and Miller in a shootout in Cochranes Rd, Moorabbin, just after midnight on August 16, 1998.
They were later secretly taped coldly describing the shootings as "a little thing", and taunting police, shouting "bang bang, suck on that" as they drove past other officers.
The tapes also revealed they considered murdering Miller's widow, Carmel, and young son, James, to fool police into believing the murders were drug-related.
But Roberts protests his innocence on the site.
In a poem, he states: "When an innocent man is wrongfully convicted and sentenced to life, it is the equivalent of cutting this throat with a knife."
He complains he is regularly strip-searched and is chained when under escort.
He believes there is a conspiracy to punish him on each anniversary of the killings, or when St Kilda and Hawthorn play for the Silk-Miller Cup in honour of the slain officers.
"Every time I am due for an important court hearing, or every time they play the Silk-Miller cup at the footy, someone 'allegedly' drops a note on me making an anonymous allegation, and you lot come running down in you're (sic) jack boots, your jump suits and your f------ batman belts to arrest me and drag me off to a punishment unit," he says.
He claims allegations he was attempting to escape were fabricated.
His rants include details of what he said was a three-week hunger strike against harsh treatment.
Poem titles include Corruption, An Innocent Man and Cursed.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21465176-661,00.html

 

[Liverpool]

Baby shaker to care for victim
April 02, 2007 05:29pm

A MAN who shook his six-week-old daughter so severely that she suffered brain damage has avoided jail, after being described by a judge as the best person to care for her.
Peter Rallis, 40, of Carnegie, received a suspended three-year jail sentence today after he pleaded guilty to negligently causing serious injury to his daughter.
The Victorian County Court was told Rallis admitted shaking the baby, then six weeks old, twice while he was looking after her in February, 2005.
She now suffers cerebral palsy, spasticity, a post-natal diffuse cerebral injury and seizures.
Judge Frances Hogan said Rallis's actions had destroyed the potential of a perfect newborn baby to have a normal life.
She said the baby's injuries were extensive, debilitating and permanent, and she would have to depend on others for her basic needs.
However, Judge Hogan also recognised that Rallis had quit his job, became the baby's main carer and devoted himself to her needs.
She said if he was imprisoned this would disadvantage her and his family.
"Ironically, although you are the person who caused her to be so needy, you are the best person to continue to address her needs."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21490309-661,00.html

 

[Liverpool]

The shirt says it all.....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/transport-stalkers-terrify-schoolgirls/2007/04/10/1175971057235.html

 

[Liverpool]

Is this any way to treat our elderly?
June 17, 2007 12:00am

VICTORIA'S worst prisoners are better fed than some of our most vulnerable pensioners.

A Sunday Herald Sun investigation has found serial killers, gangsters, rapists and accused terrorists are sitting down to healthier, more expensive fare than our frail elderly.

Notorious inmates Julian Knight, Carl Williams and John Sharpe enjoy a taxpayer-funded menu of roasts with potatoes, pasta bolognese or napolitana, homemade pies with chips, and vegetables, fruit and salads.
But at some aged care homes, dinner consists of chicken nuggets blended into a drink, or a measly two party pies with a watery fruit cup chaser.

About $5.70 is spent on a prisoner's meals each day, according to Corrections Victoria.
Some aged care homes spend less -- as little as $5 -- to feed an elderly patient for a day.
And, experts say, pensioners on the breadline who live at home have to budget for as little as $2 a meal.
The shock revelations came as a new company running aged homes in Victoria said it intended to serve residents reconstituted frozen food.

Aged-care advocate Lynda Salterelli said it was a sick joke that the elderly were treated as second-class citizens to serious criminals.
She said reports to her site agedcarecrisis.com showed dietary neglect of the elderly across the system.
"In the state's 900 aged-care facilities, malnutrition and dehydration are not uncommon," she said.
Malnutrition among the elderly is linked to higher death rates, reduced immunity, increased risk of falls, ulcers, infection and longer stays in hospital.
Nine Victorian aged-care homes, servicing 384 residents, failed Department of Health nutrition guidelines last year.

But things are much rosier in the kitchens at Barwon, Port Phillip and Melbourne Assessment prisons -- home to the state's most vicious criminals
A typical menu there would, by comparison, leave many pensioners drooling.
For dinner, inmates such as triple killer Gregory Brazel are served either roast chicken, beef, pork or sausages with rice, vegetables or potatoes.
The menu choices include golden-battered fish fillets with fresh vegetables.
Lunches include pasta bolognese, a roll of salad, egg and pressed meats with garden salad and fruit, seafood salads, or home-cooked pies with chips.
The "specific cultural needs of prisoners" -- Muslim, orthodox Jewish or vegetarians -- are also catered for.
A Queensland company has been given management rights over 15 Victorian retirement homes. The company confirmed yesterday it planned to bring in pre-cooked frozen food from Queensland for its residents.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21917577-2862,00.html

 

[Tiger Attack]

I think this says more about the standard of some nursing homes than it does about meals in prisons, Liverpool.

Thanks for bringing it to the public's awareness!

 

[Liverpool]

I think this says more about the standard of some nursing homes than it does about meals in prisons, Liverpool.

Thanks for bringing it to the public's awareness!

Definitely both, Tiger Attack.

One...that our aged-"care" (if you call it that) is poor, but even more alarming, and disappointing, is that jails seem to have the resources to allow such luxuries to their inmates, that our elderly do not.

Maybe a few million $$$ taken from the jail/detention system, and more towards the aged-care sector, might make things more correct.

I'm sure Grandpa Blogs should deserve fresh meals each day, whereas I'm sure Milat, Knight, and Hicks can survive on bread and water.

Rubbish that the priority seems to be the other way round....

 

[mld]

It certainly is disgusting. Forgive me for the question, but are we comparing privately-owned nursing homes with publicly-owned prisons? If so it seems there is a failing in both systems. Perhaps both a privatisation of jailing and increased regulation of aged care is in order.

 

[Tiger74]

Its late and Ive had a few too many vino, but I thought we already had privately administered jails in Aust

 

[mld]

Its late and Ive had a few too many vino, but I thought we already had privately administered jails in Aust

Have we? I admit I don't know much about our jailing system. Sounds like those involved aren't doing a good job of cost-cutting, sounds like they need more competition.

 

[Tiger74]

Its late and Ive had a few too many vino, but I thought we already had privately administered jails in Aust

Have we? I admit I don't know much about our jailing system. Sounds like those involved aren't doing a good job of cost-cutting, sounds like they need more competition.

Not 100% but pretty sure. Seem to remember something about private operators stuffing up the operation of Port Phillip a few years ago.

Also one of the reasons amenities are half decent in jails is to avoid litigation against the prision system/the government. Lawyers love that stuff, and like making easy money defending some rapists right to three squares a day.

 

[mld]

Fair point, fair treatment needs to be seen to be done. As TA points out, it is more an indication of aged care regulation than anything I guess.

 

[Lidsand]

i agree with liverpool

lets starve the prisoners. feed them a meal of stale bread and cabbage soup once a week. :

i think the HS may have found the best looking jail meal and worst looking nursing home meal. its called sensationalist journalism. something a sensationalist like you would understand.

what did you honestly expect them to eat?

 

[Liverpool]

what did you honestly expect them to eat?

The worst looking nursing home meal.

And the elderly to be fed the best looking jail meal.

Sound fair?

 

[Lidsand]

what did you honestly expect them to eat?

The worst looking nursing home meal.

And the elderly to be fed the best looking jail meal.

Sound fair?

what answer did i honestly expect from you

 

[Tiger74]

what did you honestly expect them to eat?

The worst looking nursing home meal.

And the elderly to be fed the best looking jail meal.

Sound fair?

For the lawyers yes. They love defending prisoners rights, as they probably get Legal Aid to pick up the bill if they lose, but when did you ever hear of a lawyer defending the elderly pro-bono? It ain't going to happen because the crims can sue the Govt better than the elderly can sue nursing home providers.

Also on nursing homes, I have family in the industry. If they were actually used as intended, and not as a place for family to dump grandma/pa and never visit again, things may be different. If families visited more often and saw conditions day to day, the standards may actually be better as the homes have to be accountable to someone other than an old person no-one will listen to.

 

[Liverpool]

For the lawyers yes. They love defending prisoners rights, as they probably get Legal Aid to pick up the bill if they lose, but when did you ever hear of a lawyer defending the elderly pro-bono? It ain't going to happen because the crims can sue the Govt better than the elderly can sue nursing home providers.

Also on nursing homes, I have family in the industry. If they were actually used as intended, and not as a place for family to dump grandma/pa and never visit again, things may be different. If families visited more often and saw conditions day to day, the standards may actually be better as the homes have to be accountable to someone other than an old person no-one will listen to.

That's the problem with society these days.
The people who have given so much to this country, such as Diggers in nursing homes, are treated worse than convicted child molesters and murderers.
And the fact that these scum have more people helping them than the elderly, is a disgrace.

For example, Julian Knight kills 7 people, and will spend the rest of his life in prison, and rightly so.
He has completed a Bachelor of Arts degree while in prison.
Why?
What is he going to gain by having a degree, if he is in jail for the rest of his life?
More money that could have been spent on the nursing-home sector.....also kids out there on HECS working a job a Maccas on a Saturday night to pay their rent while they study, and here this moron is sitting in jail, 3 meals a day, and getting a degree for nothing.

People need to wake up!