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Justice?

Another pathetic and disgraceful decision by our legal fraternity.
Are these judges supposed to be handing out justice to the morons who come before them for the crimes they commit, or not?
All I hear is bloody weak garbage all the time from these overpaid, useless, fat cretins called judges!!!! :mad: :mad:

First this happens:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/wet-baby-in-tumble-dryer-man-charged/2006/05/30/1148754978203.html

and the sentence the judge gives:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20307888-662,00.html

Pathetic! :mad:
 
More garbage from the judges!  :mad:
He should have been given life....and the wife as well for her disgraceful display.
...and the Judge should be placed in the same cell as them! :mad:


Monstrous' dad jailed for baby's death

Peter Gregory, Chief Court Reporter
November 27, 2006 - 11:30AM

A father who killed his five-month-old daughter while suffering depression and fits of anger has been jailed for nine years.

Justice Bernard Teague said the crimes of David Scott Arney, 25, when viewed objectively, were "monstrous" and deserved stern punishment.
He said Arney's wife had experienced enormous grief at the loss of the couple's daughter, Rachael Joy, but she had also expressed strong feelings of love for her husband, and their relationship persisted despite Rachael's death.

Arney, of Heidelberg, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Rachael Arney and to recklessly causing serious injury by repeatedly punching her, in the weeks prior to her death on December 15 last year.

Justice Teague said Arney was remorseful, appeared to have good rehabilitation prospects, had strong family support and was likely to spend his time in jail under protection.
But he said that Arney's violence towards his daughter was severe and persistent and his treatment of her was "abhorrent".

On December 14, Rachael was distressed and vomited in a way that caused Arney concern, though he did not seek medical help, Justice Teague said.
He gave his daughter some Panadol and the next morning called an ambulance, but the girl was pronounced dead 90 minutes later.

Justice Teague said Arney initially told police he made the "odd mistake" with his daughter but gave no sign of anything serious.
He became indignant at being asked about her injuries.
Rachael died from peritonitis, arising from a ruptured part of her bowel.
She also had a fractured skull and ribs, which Arney attributed to a fall.

Justice Teague said Arney had been bullied at school, leaving him fragile and vulnerable to stress.
"Your failure to seek help meant that you were failing to recognise the inappropriateness of your self-taught method of dealing with the anger brought on by stress," he said.
Justice Teague fixed a five-year non-parole period.

Arney has served almost a year in pre-sentence detention.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/monstrous-dad-jailed-for-babys-death/2006/11/27/1164476108094.html

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VSC/2006/438.html

Justice Teague is pathetic!!!!!  :mad:
 
Liverpool said:
More garbage from the judges!  :mad:
He should have been given life....and the wife as well for her disgraceful display.


Monstrous' dad jailed for baby's death

Peter Gregory, Chief Court Reporter
November 27, 2006 - 11:30AM

A father who killed his five-month-old daughter while suffering depression and fits of anger has been jailed for nine years.

Justice Bernard Teague said the crimes of David Scott Arney, 25, when viewed objectively, were "monstrous" and deserved stern punishment.
He said Arney's wife had experienced enormous grief at the loss of the couple's daughter, Rachael Joy, but she had also expressed strong feelings of love for her husband, and their relationship persisted despite Rachael's death.

Arney, of Heidelberg, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Rachael Arney and to recklessly causing serious injury by repeatedly punching her, in the weeks prior to her death on December 15 last year.

Justice Teague said Arney was remorseful, appeared to have good rehabilitation prospects, had strong family support and was likely to spend his time in jail under protection.
But he said that Arney's violence towards his daughter was severe and persistent and his treatment of her was "abhorrent".

On December 14, Rachael was distressed and vomited in a way that caused Arney concern, though he did not seek medical help, Justice Teague said.
He gave his daughter some Panadol and the next morning called an ambulance, but the girl was pronounced dead 90 minutes later.

Justice Teague said Arney initially told police he made the "odd mistake" with his daughter but gave no sign of anything serious.
He became indignant at being asked about her injuries.
Rachael died from peritonitis, arising from a ruptured part of her bowel.
She also had a fractured skull and ribs, which Arney attributed to a fall.

Justice Teague said Arney had been bullied at school, leaving him fragile and vulnerable to stress.
"Your failure to seek help meant that you were failing to recognise the inappropriateness of your self-taught method of dealing with the anger brought on by stress," he said.
Justice Teague fixed a five-year non-parole period.

Arney has served almost a year in pre-sentence detention.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/monstrous-dad-jailed-for-babys-death/2006/11/27/1164476108094.html

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VSC/2006/438.html

Justice Teague is pathetic!!!!!  :mad:
Life ? I reckon he should've been shot dead on the spot.
 
TigerForce said:
Life ? I reckon he should've been shot dead on the spot.

I agree....just trying to "half-appease" the civil libertarians and do-gooders on the forum! ;)
Maybe I'm starting to become soft? :-[

Nah...that passed quick... :hihi

Seriously though, I'm more angry at the Judge than the bloke who killed the baby.

Obviously, this cretin is a nutter and should be given a lethal dose of something, but the Judge, to not only hand down a pathetic sentence, then to give even more of a pathetic reason why:

"Your failure to seek help meant that you were failing to recognise the inappropriateness of your self-taught method of dealing with the anger brought on by stress," he said.

You've got to be kidding me!!!!

The baby isn't one of those blow-up stress-dolls you can punch to let out some anger and frustration......"inapproriateness" the judge says????
This Judge should be shot as well mate! :mad:
 
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
 
Liverpool said:
TigerForce said:
Life ? I reckon he should've been shot dead on the spot.

I agree....just trying to "half-appease" the civil libertarians and do-gooders on the forum!  ;)
Maybe I'm starting to become soft?  :-[

Nah...that passed quick... :hihi

Seriously though, I'm more angry at the Judge than the bloke who killed the baby.

Obviously, this cretin is a nutter and should be given a lethal dose of something, but the Judge, to not only hand down a pathetic sentence, then to give even more of a pathetic reason why:

"Your failure to seek help meant that you were failing to recognise the inappropriateness of your self-taught method of dealing with the anger brought on by stress," he said.

You've got to be kidding me!!!!

The baby isn't one of those blow-up stress-dolls you can punch to let out some anger and frustration......"inapproriateness" the judge says????
This Judge should be shot as well mate!  :mad:
What's new mate?  It's an ongoing mystery to me.  Maybe the judge was dreaming about the AFL Tribunal system  ::)

I still can't get over how that Julian 'whats his name' shitface, who shot people in Clifton Hill, gets to live in a lounge room cell.
 
struggletown3121 said:
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
Wherever you draw the line between Heidelberg and Ivanhoe I'll never know............ :hihi
 
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
Wherever you draw the line between Heidelberg and Ivanhoe I'll never know............ :hihi

Bell St and Waterdale Rd geographically.

I used to live in one and play footy for the other if thats what your referring to. ::)
 
struggletown3121 said:
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
Wherever you draw the line between Heidelberg and Ivanhoe I'll never know............ :hihi

Bell St and Waterdale Rd geographically.

I used to live in one and play footy for the other if thats what your referring to. ::)

Uh yeah, no worries Bubbles.   :headscratch
 
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
Wherever you draw the line between Heidelberg and Ivanhoe I'll never know............ :hihi

Bell St and Waterdale Rd geographically.

I used to live in one and play footy for the other if thats what your referring to. ::)

Uh yeah, no worries Bubbles.   :headscratch

So hard to absorb is it forceskin??

I am from Heidelberg and played for Ivanhoe.
I will give you building blocks and toy cars to work it out if it helps.
 
This judge is an example of why there is no common sense in common law. Anyone who argues that one of the roles of the courts is to maintain a "watch" over the laws of the parliament need only look at this case to see the error of their ways.

Surely this penalty has to be appealed?
 
poppa x said:
This judge is an example of why there is no common sense in common law. Anyone who argues that one of the roles of the courts is to maintain a "watch" over the laws of the parliament need only look at this case to see the error of their ways.

Surely this penalty has to be appealed?

PoppaX,
What we need is a fair-dinkum "law watchdog" who will really push the judges into making, not only correct decisions, but sentences to worthy the crime.

Sentencing this bastard to 5-year non-parole term to continually beating-up a baby, until it dies from a ruptured bowel, is bad enough.........but then for the judge to go one step further and try and give an 'excuse' for why he did it, is not justice, as far as I'm concerned.
 
that poor little girl would have been in worlds of pain that the son of a *smile* will never ever see and feel. the dear little angel

:'( :'( :'(
 
struggletown3121 said:
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
TigerForce said:
struggletown3121 said:
That filthy *smile* happens to live in my old hometown.
I hope that when he is realeased from prison,he gets an old fashioned welcoming home 'party' that makes him beg to be put back bars.

I felt sick reading that article :vomit
Wherever you draw the line between Heidelberg and Ivanhoe I'll never know............ :hihi

Bell St and Waterdale Rd geographically.

I used to live in one and play footy for the other if thats what your referring to. ::)

Uh yeah, no worries Bubbles.   :headscratch

So hard to absorb is it forceskin??

I am from Heidelberg and played for Ivanhoe.
I will give you building blocks and toy cars to work it out if it helps.

I was referring to both suburbs being close to each other, yet one is classified as low income earners and the other for high income earners.

Don't you know what this ----> :hihi <---- means ?? ::)
 
LidsandBling said:
that poor little girl would have been in worlds of pain that the son of a b!tch will never ever see and feel. the dear little angel

:'( :'( :'(

I'm against vigilantes in most cases, but I sincerely hope that 'justice' gets meted out behind bars to this scum.

This disturbing article was front page today.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20840736-661,00.html

Tiny lives betrayedKatie Lapthorne and Mark Buttler

November 29, 2006 12:00am
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MORE than a dozen people charged with murdering children in the past decade have struck deals to dramatically reduce their time behind bars.

Families, police and victims' groups are appalled by the "institutionalised injustice" that lets child killers beat murder charges in favour of manslaughter.

A wave of community outrage over the death of five-month-old Rachael Joy Arney has prompted calls for a review of the law.

The Herald Sun has identified 12 cases where attackers inflicted horrific injuries on young children.

In each, the offenders were charged with murder but prosecutors accepted a plea of guilty to manslaughter.

All but one received sentences of less than half the 20-year maximum penalty for manslaughter. Their minimum non-parole jail terms totalled just 64 years.


In developments yesterday:

PREMIER Steve Bracks took the rare step of urging the Director of Public Prosecutions to appeal against the minimum five-year sentence imposed this week on the killer of baby Rachael.

FRUSTRATED police called for juries to be left to decide child murder charges.

THE father of one victim spoke of his devastation at seeing his son's killer jailed for just four years.

A PROMINENT barrister called for the DPP to make public the reasons for accepting lesser pleas.

The list of case studies reveals the horrific injuries and torment suffered by the child victims.

They include skull fractures, broken ribs, bleeding on the brain, and torn internal organs.

The highest sentence -- 10 years' jail with a minimum of seven -- was given in 2000 to Gary Stanley Kesic, who violently shook Jed Britton, 2, over the child's inability to learn toilet training.

David Scott Arney, 25, was sentenced on Monday to a minimum five years for repeatedly punching daughter Rachael in the stomach.

Mr Bracks, clearly moved by baby Rachael's death, said he hoped the DPP would consider an appeal.

"This is a horrific case, a dreadful case. I'm appalled by all of it," he said.

"It would be up to the DPP to decide if it wishes to appeal on that matter . . . and you would hope if there is an opportunity . . . they would take that up."

One homicide squad detective said police were resigned to such sentences being imposed.

"It's sad but it's at the top end," he said.

"When a bloke gets nine (years in prison) with a six (year non-parole period), it's above average.
"The little baby's got no choice. They're gone forever."

The detective said it was a sad reality that if judges handed down stiffer sentences, they would be reduced on appeal.

He said sustained public outrage might be the only thing that changed the situation.

Australian Childhood Foundation CEO Joe Tucci said the law was letting children down by reducing the seriousness of a horrific crime.

"The price of a child's life is 5-10 years at the most and that, to me, is a tragic indictment on the way we see the sanctity of childhood," Mr Tucci said.

He said the Office of Public Prosecutions should be transparent and accountable when it accepted a reduction in the charge.

Mr Tucci wants plea bargaining abolished and a new child homicide offence with a minimum term introduced.

The father of Jonathan Guiver, 3, who was beaten to death by Mark Mietto in 2001, said the penalty for his son's death did not fit the crime. Mietto received a minimum four-year jail term and was released this year.

"A fair penalty? There probably isn't one," Mr Guiver said.

"Ten years is what I thought he would have got but nothing could be right for what he's done.

"A child is defenceless. A child needs the protection of the courts."

Barrister Peter Faris, QC, said a jury should decide between murder and manslaughter in child homicide cases.

"You hear that a jury is the hallmark of democracy and it reflects the views of the man in the street . . . why wouldn't you leave the case to them?" Mr Faris said.

He said a culture had developed where child-killing cases were put in their own category with their own rules.

"It's the theory that these are usually horrific circumstances for everybody," Mr Faris said.

"It's an overly sympathetic attitude for factors that can be reflected in the sentence for murder."

Office of Public Prosecutions spokesman Bruce Gardner said plea offers were always considered, but whether they were acted on depended on differing legal factors.

The Arney case, like all others, was being considered for appeal
 
Legends,

The article you posted has pretty much summed-up what I have been bleating on about for a while on this thread.

These sentences are not just soft, but an absolute disgrace.

Not only a disgrace because these monsters have been given such light sentences for their crimes, but also, what does it say to the rest of us, who will have to work, live next door, and mingle...unknowingly.....with these 'people' once they get out of jail?
It only needs ONE of these people to not be "rehabilitated", and we will have more innocent lives at risk.
The general public should not have to live with these animals.

And the sentences also say a lot about the justice system, who use a "think of the children first" attitude when it comes to family courts and custody battles, yet do not give a stuff about kids who have been beaten or murdered...this proven by the joke of a sentences handed down.

I am all for the death-sentence, but because the civil-libertarians and social do-gooders protest against such sensible moves, especially in cases like the ones we have mentioned the last couple of days on this thread....it will never happen.
However, surely the justice system can be strong enough to jail these cretins and throw away the key, at least?

Its about time judges, lawyers, and the legal fraternity, were held accountable for their actions...just like the majority of people are held accountable for their actions in the workforce.
 
Quite interesting figures:

Convicted, but not a day inside
Geoff Wilkinson
February 01, 2007 12:00am

ALMOST a third of all offenders convicted of serious cases of property crime in the past five years were set free by judges without a day in jail.
Four hundred offenders were given wholly suspended sentences after being convicted of arson, fraud, theft and handling stolen goods.
They were among the 1291 offenders sentenced for upper-level property offences, which have to be dealt with in the County Court or Supreme Court.
The rate of wholly suspended sentences, compiled from statistics released by the Sentencing Advisory Council, has outraged community groups.
People Against Lenient Sentencing president Steve Medcraft said the number of offenders freed on suspended sentences "makes a joke of our so-called justice system".
"On those figures, crime does pay," Mr Medcraft said.
He said the statistics should silence any lingering criticism of restrictions on the use of suspended sentences announced last year by the State Government.
Judges and magistrates are now allowed to wholly suspend sentences only in exceptional circumstances, but the new law only applies to offences committed since November, when the legislative change was made.
The five crime types covered by the newly released sentencing statistics all carry maximum jail terms of either 10 or 15 years.
Police said yesterday the sentencing figures came as no surprise.
"That sort of slap on the wrist justice is par for the course, unfortunately," one veteran investigator told the Herald Sun.
"It will be interesting to see what happens when the new law really kicks in and judges haven't got suspended sentences to fall back on."
Twenty-nine per cent of people convicted of serious theft charges in the higher courts between 2001-02 and 2005-06 were spared any jail, and released on a wholly suspended sentence.
The proportion of wholly suspended sentences for fraud offences was 36 per cent for obtaining financial advantage by deception, and 33 per cent for obtaining property by deception.
Forty per cent convicted of handling stolen goods -- which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years' jail -- were let free, as were 23 per cent of arsonists
.
Offences involving more than $25,000 of property on each count have to be dealt with by the County or Supreme Court, rather than by a magistrate.
An Office of Public Prosecutions spokesman said the limit was due to be lifted to $100,000 later this year.
Suspended sentences were abolished after an inquiry by the Sentencing Advisory Council.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21149535-2862,00.html
 
Saw this small article in the HUN on wednesday. Couldn't find a link so I'll type it up. If only the judges were would be as tough.

California: Serial pedophile Dean Schwartzmiller has been sentenced to 152 years to life in jail for molesting two 12 year old San Jose boys in 2005.
Schwartzmiller acted in his own defence and is expected to try and appeal his sentence.
Judge Edward Lee was "OK with that" because the man believed to be one of the most prolific molesters in the US will be working from jail.
 
Unfortunately ladies and gentlemen due to the large amount of errors made through the court systems (the lack of technology mainly to blame) by the generations before us penalties have decreased to the point where it is becoming almost laughable at the amount of time heinus crime committers are spending behind bars.

First it was a must to get rid of Capital Punishment due to the vast array of people who were dying for crimes they didnt commit.... Then life in jail turned into 25 years in jail, and now 25 years in jail is 12 with parole after 7....

The world as we knew it is no longer and its nigh on its completion, try not to worry about things out of your grasp and live your life to the fullest....
 
More rubbish:


Muslim wins compo over jail diet ruling
February 12, 2007 - 8:09AM

A child sex-offender has won a discrimination case against the Queensland government because he was denied food prepared in accordance with Muslim religious laws and fed vegetables, nuts and tinned meat.

In a ruling the government fears could trigger an avalanche of claims from other prisoners denied special dietary requests, the Supreme Court found Sharif Mahommed, who was sentenced to eight years imprisonment in 2000, had been discriminated against.

He will be allowed to keep $2000 in compensation and not pay for tens of thousands of dollars in legal bills spent to defend his case, The Australian reports.

Mahommed is now out of prison and said he suffered stress and lost weight while behind bars because he was denied fresh halal meat.

He blamed prison authorities for their "lack of knowledge in understanding my religious beliefs, poor training skills, coupled with a no-care and negative attitude to inmates in general", the court was told.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Muslim-wins-compo-over-jail-diet-ruling/2007/02/12/1171128845295.html