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Justice?

Azza said:
Always seemed such a harmless sort of bloke. Shame :(

Years ago, I knew a bloke who was accused of hitting his pregnant girlfriend and causing her to miscarriage. To this day, I don't know whether or it is true or not but at the time, another mate spoke to him and apparently he said "do I look like the sort of bloke who would hit his girlfriend?"

What does the sort of bloke who abuses his partner look like?

Sorry, just wanted to add that this guys partner was definitely pregnant and by some means, she did lose the baby early on. Accusations were made and that's all I know of it.
 
1eyedtiger said:
Years ago, I knew a bloke who was accused of hitting his pregnant girlfriend and causing her to miscarriage. To this day, I don't know whether or it is true or not but at the time, another mate spoke to him and apparently he said "do I look like the sort of bloke who would hit his girlfriend?"

What does the sort of bloke who abuses his partner look like?

So true. A lot of people have a habit to perceive certain actors/celebrities to be lovely people and wish they could marry or be best mates with them, without knowing what personality they really hold. Same with some stories we see on the news when a man kills his wife and neighbours always commenting "they seemed a lovely couple".
 
TigerForce, you've hit the nail on the head there. The only shame in these instances is that the perpetrator got away with it for so long without being punished because of their position and public perception of them.
 
1eyedtiger said:
TigerForce, you've hit the nail on the head there. The only shame in these instances is that the perpetrator got away with it for so long without being punished because of their position and public perception of them.

If he is found guilty, I wonder what the Royals are thinking...
 
TigerForce said:
So true. A lot of people have a habit to perceive certain actors/celebrities to be lovely people and wish they could marry or be best mates with them, without knowing what personality they really hold. Same with some stories we see on the news when a man kills his wife and neighbours always commenting "they seemed a lovely couple".
Or when a little league coach does murder/suicide and some people say "but he was a little league coach, he wouldn't do that".....
 
1eyedtiger said:
TigerForce, you've hit the nail on the head there. The only shame in these instances is that the perpetrator got away with it for so long without being punished because of their position and public perception of them.

Fair enough, I agree with a lot of that. But Harris came across as very accessible and good with kids, and was big on charities. I guess I meant it's a shame that all that can be so deceptive.
 
Azza said:
Fair enough, I agree with a lot of that. But Harris came across as very accessible and good with kids, and was big on charities. I guess I meant it's a shame that all that can be so deceptive.

I have been very careful not to name anyone as we don't know that Rolf Harris is the guilty party in this case but the number of times that high profile people have been caught out in recent times (Mathew Newton for example) and the obvious attempts to sweep these issues under the carpet is very disturbing.
At the very least, these types of people get treated in a very lenient manner and I despise the tiered legal system we seem to have. :mad:
 
1eyedtiger said:
I have been very careful not to name anyone as we don't know that Rolf Harris is the guilty party in this case but the number of times that high profile people have been caught out in recent times (Mathew Newton for example) and the obvious attempts to sweep these issues under the carpet is very disturbing.
At the very least, these types of people get treated in a very lenient manner and I despise the tiered legal system we seem to have. :mad:

Yeah, that blindfold on the statue of justice that's supposed to mean impartiality certainly has more than a few holes in it.
 
Article says arrested on 'suspicion of sexual offences' and are unrelated to Savile's acts which makes me wonder where and how these would've occurred. Sounds worse than I thought.

The news reports keep it secret but Harris' name is all over the internet especially as he was questioned late last year.
 
TigerForce said:
Article says arrested on 'suspicion of sexual offences' and are unrelated to Savile's acts which makes me wonder where and how these would've occurred. Sounds worse than I thought.

The news reports keep it secret but Harris' name is all over the internet especially as he was questioned late last year.

He was questioned and never even charged, was he? Appears to have been convicted in the local court of public opinion here though.
 
antman said:
He was questioned and never even charged, was he? Appears to have been convicted in the local court of public opinion here though.

Questioned and not charged in late 2012, but now he's been arrested so there must be some new information to maybe prosecute him with.
 
TigerForce said:
Questioned and not charged in late 2012, but now he's been arrested so there must be some new information to maybe prosecute him with.

ooer well that ain't good then.
 
TigerForce said:
Questioned and not charged in late 2012, but now he's been arrested so there must be some new information to maybe prosecute him with.

I heard someone was arrested, but not charged. How does that work?
 
Legends of 1980 said:
I heard someone was arrested, but not charged. How does that work?

When the cops take you into custody and question you about some new information they received on a crime that's been caused. If they think you're the culprit, they charge you.
 
TigerForce said:
When the cops take you into custody and question you about some new information they received on a crime that's been caused. If they think you're the culprit, they charge you.

It's just that last time they said they took someone in for questioning. I assume it's the same thing as what you just meant, but they didn't say they arrested him last time
 
Legends of 1980 said:
It's just that last time they said they took someone in for questioning. I assume it's the same thing as what you just meant, but they didn't say they arrested him last time

That's right, he was just questioned. If he's arrested now, then the cops must've received some valid evidence against him. It's only a matter of time on if he gets charged now.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/kieran-loveridge-sentenced-to-six-years27-prison-over-king-hit/5078728

Parents of Thomas Kelly 'absolutely horrified' at sentence for king-hit killer Kieran Loveridge
By Sally Block, staff
Updated Fri 8 Nov 2013, 7:33pm AEDT

Thomas Kelly's parents say they are "completely shocked" at the sentence handed down to the man who fatally punched the 18-year-old in Sydney's Kings Cross.

Thomas Kelly, who was punched in the face and died in Kings Cross.
PHOTO: Thomas Kelly died in hospital two days after being randomly punched by Kieran Loveridge. (Supplied)
Kieran Loveridge was today jailed for at least four years for manslaughter, with a maximum of six years.

The 19-year-old randomly punched Mr Kelly in the head in July last year as he walked with his girlfriend and spoke on his mobile phone in the nightclub precinct.

The single punch knocked Mr Kelly to the ground and he died from head injuries in St Vincent's Hospital two days later.

In the Supreme Court in Sydney today, Loveridge was sentenced to a maximum of six years in jail for manslaughter plus another 18 months for four other assaults he committed on the same night.

Loveridge will be eligible for parole in November 2017 after serving five years and two months in prison.

The combined maximum sentence for the manslaughter and assaults is seven years and two months.

Speaking outside court, Mr Kelly's father Ralph Kelly was clearly shocked.

"We have spent the last hour in court listening to the verdict which supports the offender and leaves us as the victim's family completely cold, shocked, and just beyond belief that the sentence was just so lenient," he said.

"Completely cold, shocked, and just beyond disbelief that the sentence was just so lenient.

"It's time that this state, that Barry O'Farrell, finally did something about alcohol-fuelled violence to make a difference, to make us all safe so that we don't have to see these situations continuously happening in the city."

His wife Kathy Kelly also condemned the verdict.

Kieran Loveridge
PHOTO: The judge said Kieran Loveridge had shown remorse. (AAP: Jane Dempster)
"We're horrified. Absolutely horrified," she said.

"How many boys or how many of our children have to die before somebody does something to change these laws to make people accountable for what they do?

"Somebody else will be standing here in a few months or a year's time like we are and be heartbroken. Four years for your son's life."

Justice Stephen Campbell told the court he had carefully considered the victim impact statements from Mr Kelly's family.

"From them I have formed the impression that Thomas must have been a wonderful young man full of promise for the future and of whom his parents were justly proud," he said.

He said Loveridge, for reasons of drunkenness, was unable or unwilling to control his aggressive urges.

Justice Campbell noted that Loveridge wept in court when the Kelly family read out their victim impact statements last month, which he said he took as a sincere expression of remorse.

"In my judgment the offender is very unlikely to re-offend. I have the very distinct impression that from the tragic consequences his offending has brought about, he has well and truly learnt his lesson," he said.

"I find that the combination of the offender's youth, remorse, prospects of rehabilitation and the need to structure sentences for multiple offences constitute special circumstances."

Attorney-General pushes for sentence appeal

New South Wales Attorney-General Greg Smith quickly announced he would ask the Director of Public Prosecutions to appeal against the sentence.

"Thomas Kelly was the victim of an unprovoked attack and I have great sympathy for his family who are devastated by their loss," Mr Smith said in a statement.

"Drunken assaults are a terrible scourge and every weekend we hear about attacks by intoxicated, irresponsible people on bystanders who are lucky to escape with their life.

"I have contacted the Director of Public Prosecutions and asked him to review the sentence handed down today to Kieran Loveridge and consider if there are grounds for an appeal."





This is a disgrace for mine. I for one demand longer jail time.
 
I am really torn on such things. On the one had I feel he should be locked away for the crime committed, and not some pissy shell of a sentence BUT at the end of the day just what would that cause down the line? Once this guy has been in jail for 5 years, he can a. Never get that time back and b. Will come out as a person who, I believe, will be very 'different', harder, tougher and more understanding of the criminal ways.

IMO people who commit such crimes should get very long sentences but that the should be community based; in this way he would spend, for example, 10 hours a week working for an institution in a way that will make a positive difference to the world. So instead of 5 years in the clink, he could have gotten 10 years, of 10 hours every week, doing some good.

The Salvos, Sacred Heart Mission, the TAC etc could all be places where these offenders, along with other suitable groups, could go some small way to making amends for their terrible actions.

My 2c anyhoo
 
Not torn at all - if an adequate sentence was handed down to one or more of these thugs then maybe that would prevent a few future ones from happening.
One of these future assaults may well be my son, or one of his friends, who will be out there in a few short years.

Same goes for those caught carrying weapons - major pain for them.

wanna be tough guys can meet some real tough guys inside!