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Justice?
- Thread starter Legends of 2017
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glantone said:
That's the kicker. No man deserves to die if they are innocent, that's worse than any crime in my book.
Attention "Pro-Lifers"... have a read of this breaking news article regarding the mass shooting of kindergarten kids in the US and then tell me why murderers deserve to live.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/school-shooting-reported-in-connecticut/story-fnd134gw-1226537283734
The only consolation in this instance is that the gutless maggot took his own life.
Can humans possibly sink any lower than this?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/school-shooting-reported-in-connecticut/story-fnd134gw-1226537283734
The only consolation in this instance is that the gutless maggot took his own life.
Can humans possibly sink any lower than this?
RfC77 said:
Unfortunately yes. They can and they probably will. No this won't be a wake up call to seppo's on gun control. They will never get the message. And no I still don't support the death penalty. If one of them were my kid, I would do exactly what you think I would if I got my hands on him. And then I would take my medicine.
What should happen in the case of those with violent criminal histories offending again is all those involved in the prior sentencing should be brought in to explain themselves further and possibly cop a punishment too. So many murders that could have been avoided if the right whack was given in the first place. Meagher, Cafferkey, who the hell knows what's going to happen next. Too many do-gooders handing down wet-lettuce leaf sentences who ought to be thrown in prison with the offenders themselves for more or less allowing this crap to continue........
As for this school shooting...it's hardly surprising given how easy it is to buy a gun in the States. The only thing between a nutcase and a firearm is whether or not they can afford one or not. Just walk into Walmart, choose your weapon of choice, then you're set.
So sad that the children killed will never get to live out their lives, and their parents will never get to see them grow up, and the adults killed won't be going home to their families and friends at Xmas time.
The right to bear arms is way dated in their constitution. It's been around for 200 years and has proven itself to cause too many preventable problems in the 20th and 21st centuries.
As for this school shooting...it's hardly surprising given how easy it is to buy a gun in the States. The only thing between a nutcase and a firearm is whether or not they can afford one or not. Just walk into Walmart, choose your weapon of choice, then you're set.
So sad that the children killed will never get to live out their lives, and their parents will never get to see them grow up, and the adults killed won't be going home to their families and friends at Xmas time.
The right to bear arms is way dated in their constitution. It's been around for 200 years and has proven itself to cause too many preventable problems in the 20th and 21st centuries.
I just read this. What is going on?
Man stabs 22 children at China primary school
AFP December 14, 2012, 6:53 pm
BEIJING (AFP) - A man stabbed 22 primary school students in a knife attack in China on Friday, officials said, the latest in a series of assaults.
The attacker "has been detained", said a spokesman for the Guangshan county government in the central province of Henan, where the stabbing happened.
"Twenty-two elementary school students were stabbed, so was an adult villager" but none of the victims died, the official, who declined to give his name, told AFP.
The state-run China News Service said a man attacked the students with a knife outside an elementary school, resulting in injuries which were "not life threatening". It did not give the children's exact ages.
China has seen several violent attacks against children over the past two years, including a spate of five incidents in 2010 which killed 15 children and two adults and wounded more than 80.
The assaults have forced authorities to increase security around schools and led to calls for more research into their root causes.
Violent crime has been on the rise in China in recent decades as the nation's economy has boomed and the gap between rich and poor has expanded rapidly.
Studies have also described a rise in the prevalence of mental disorders, some of them linked to stress as the pace of life becomes faster and socialist support systems wither.
But authorities say that murder, which carries the death penalty, remains far less common than in most Western countries.
link http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/15642677/man-stabs-22-children-at-china-primary-school/
Man stabs 22 children at China primary school
AFP December 14, 2012, 6:53 pm
BEIJING (AFP) - A man stabbed 22 primary school students in a knife attack in China on Friday, officials said, the latest in a series of assaults.
The attacker "has been detained", said a spokesman for the Guangshan county government in the central province of Henan, where the stabbing happened.
"Twenty-two elementary school students were stabbed, so was an adult villager" but none of the victims died, the official, who declined to give his name, told AFP.
The state-run China News Service said a man attacked the students with a knife outside an elementary school, resulting in injuries which were "not life threatening". It did not give the children's exact ages.
China has seen several violent attacks against children over the past two years, including a spate of five incidents in 2010 which killed 15 children and two adults and wounded more than 80.
The assaults have forced authorities to increase security around schools and led to calls for more research into their root causes.
Violent crime has been on the rise in China in recent decades as the nation's economy has boomed and the gap between rich and poor has expanded rapidly.
Studies have also described a rise in the prevalence of mental disorders, some of them linked to stress as the pace of life becomes faster and socialist support systems wither.
But authorities say that murder, which carries the death penalty, remains far less common than in most Western countries.
link http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/15642677/man-stabs-22-children-at-china-primary-school/
BluesBloke said:
Maybe the judges and magistrates should just give out decent sentences in the first place.
Part of the reason though that so many offenders get suspended sentences is that there is very minimal prison space.
The state government should really be building at least 1 or 2 more correctional facilities so those that deserve prison sentences actually get them.
willo said:
I read a few days a go too Willo and wondered if yesterday's one in America was a copycat of this.
What's going on? Who knows, maybe December 21 isn't soon enough for demented lunatics.
KnightersRevenge said:
Yes, I'm not sure of state sanctioned death penalty. There are cases where a person has been put to death but was later found to be innocent. But there have been some absolute atrocities committed. I seem to vacillate on it.
But as for the latter part of your post Knighters.......the same
K3 said:
Let me tell you a story about an incident that can only be described as tragic IMO.
A few years ago a friend of mine went to jail for a crime that I passionately believe he did not commit.
He was at a nightclub with a group of friends. He got extremely drunk. So drunk that he had to leave. So 2 people offered him a lift home. Unfortunately for my mate, these 2 guys were shady characters. They saw some guy they knew on a cbd street, had an argument, got out of the car & put the guy in a coma.
Both of those guys pleaded guilty. The ringmaster got 10 year minimum (he had a record & had other charges) and the other a 2 year minimum.
My friend pleaded not guilty. I was at most of the trial and i saw how the jury looked at him... They determined his guilt before it began. He is asian & cbd street violence was a big topic at the time.
There were 2 things that went against him.
1. He claimed he was that drunk he could not remember the events of the night.
2. The cops found the victims blood on his jeans.
There was no evidence he hit anyone. Witness evidence was inconsistent. Infact, there was no evidence he even got put of the car. The prosecution lied by suggesting my mate kicked him... If thats true, why didn't they find blood on his shoes?
As for the blood on the jeans... The main culprit hit the guy with the club lock. I believe the blood got on his jeans when he returned the club lock back in the back seat of the car. In addition, don't u think my friend would have thrown out his jeans if he knew there was evidence on it? Infact, he assisted the police when they came knocking.
There was also an element in the charge stating that even if he didn't play any part in the violence, he is guilty of the charge because he apparently made no attempt to stop his mates. WTF? I'm no legal expert, but blind Freddy can see that the law is seriously flawed. Guilt by association FFS!
He received 5.75 years with a minimum of 3.5 years.
They say if 2 ppl get charged for the same crime, 1 pleads guilty & the other pleads not guilty, the person who fights the charge gets a 30% sentence loading on average on top compared to the person who pleaded guilty. My friend got 70% loading... which suggests the judge was biased as well (his minimum was later reduced to 2.5 years on appeal).
so basically... my mate went out and got drunk, got offered a lift home, got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time in someone else's fight, and paid dearly for it. IMO the system is wrong. Oh, and legal costs were tens of thousands of dollars.
To rub salt into the wounds, on a personal level... Well I'm not gonna get into the reason why it affected me my life much, other than the fact that this persons imprisonment started off a chain reaction that led to my life being turned upside down in an incredibly negative way... And it will never be the same again.
So not only did this ruin my friends life, but it affected many others negatively as well. The investigating police (I'll never forget his name for as long as I live - the guy is a blatant, lying scumbag), the prosecution, the judge and the jury have a lot to answer to. I hope the karma bus gets them all in a big way.
Ian4 said:
Shocking story Ian and on the surface it seems like your friend was the victim of a real injustice but I was wondering how he came to be implicated in the crime. Did the two men who pleaded guilty say he was involved? Was he identified by a witness? Did he admit some level of involvement when assisting the police with their inquiries?
The 2 other guys said he was with them, yes. No witness of the bashing identified him by face. One witness said 2 were involved. Some said 3. Some said 4. As I said, witness testimony was inconsistent.
Edit: I have to admit TF that it was very hard for me to relive that story... I havent shared it with many. But with so many people saying that the laws are too lenient or in favor the culprit too much... Well there are 2 sides to some stories. The pain will live with me forever. :'(
Edit: I have to admit TF that it was very hard for me to relive that story... I havent shared it with many. But with so many people saying that the laws are too lenient or in favor the culprit too much... Well there are 2 sides to some stories. The pain will live with me forever. :'(
Re: Justice.
No need to open a new thread.
Just asking a simple question regarding property settlement in divorce.
If the matter finally goes to court, can a judge make a decision by forcing the husband to give or transfer his % ownership of the house to the wife without her paying for it?
No need to open a new thread.
Just asking a simple question regarding property settlement in divorce.
If the matter finally goes to court, can a judge make a decision by forcing the husband to give or transfer his % ownership of the house to the wife without her paying for it?
A house is no different - in they eyes of the law - than any other matrimonial asset.
The Family Court decides, based on the evidence, what the % split should be of all the assets.
If no kids are involved this is likely to be 50/50, providing incomes of both patners are relatiely equal.
Where kids are involved, the partner who has custody of the children will likely receive more than 50%, depending on (1) whether he/she has an income and (2) how many children there are.
This may mean the custodial parent may receive as much as 60-70%.
In the case of a jointly owned house or house owned by one of the partners, one partner will likely have to buy out the other partner according to the Family Courts Split arrangement. This is usually not possible, so what normally happens is the family home is sold and the net proceeds (after any mortgage) is split according to the Family Court's ruling.
I hope this helps, and please don't take it as "gospel". It's just my understanding having been through the process.
The Family Court decides, based on the evidence, what the % split should be of all the assets.
If no kids are involved this is likely to be 50/50, providing incomes of both patners are relatiely equal.
Where kids are involved, the partner who has custody of the children will likely receive more than 50%, depending on (1) whether he/she has an income and (2) how many children there are.
This may mean the custodial parent may receive as much as 60-70%.
In the case of a jointly owned house or house owned by one of the partners, one partner will likely have to buy out the other partner according to the Family Courts Split arrangement. This is usually not possible, so what normally happens is the family home is sold and the net proceeds (after any mortgage) is split according to the Family Court's ruling.
I hope this helps, and please don't take it as "gospel". It's just my understanding having been through the process.
Yep, what he said! Also remember superannuation is taken into account as a matrimonial asset as well.
So as a broad example; matrimonial home is worth $500k, wife's car $20k, husbands car $10k, shares $5k, wife's super $10k, husbands super $150k equals $695k then split that between whatever the % split is decided.
Then other factors are who is keeping the house (if either is at all) and equally proportioning the debts.
So as a broad example; matrimonial home is worth $500k, wife's car $20k, husbands car $10k, shares $5k, wife's super $10k, husbands super $150k equals $695k then split that between whatever the % split is decided.
Then other factors are who is keeping the house (if either is at all) and equally proportioning the debts.
assets in the bank before the relationship commenced is also relevant. There often complicating factors, but its relevant.
