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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?

How will you vote in referendum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 54.0%

  • No

    Votes: 30 18.4%

  • Probably yes

    Votes: 16 9.8%

  • Probably no

    Votes: 15 9.2%

  • Dont know

    Votes: 14 8.6%
  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
DavidSSS said:
All sorts of things, none of which you would be aware of.

Why are you still here if you are unwilling to take responsibility for what happened before 1968? You, and I, were only born here because of Aboriginal dispossession, if we want to take the benefit we must accept responsibility.

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How can I accept responsibility for the actions of persons past who I have no connection with whatsoever ?. Also what about present day immigrants from the Mid East who have settled in Australia in the last four or five years because of Islamic terrorists forcing them out of their natural habitat. Do they have to take responsibility even when they can hardly understand the English language.
 
casper68 said:
l am not responsible for what happened before l was placed on this earth.
l am here because l was born here.
l believe the law says l can't be evicted from this country, so l will enjoy it here as long as l choose to stay here.
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who said you were going to be evicted from this country?
 
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i dont think arguing people should take responsibility for current living conditions faced by many Indigenous Australians is helpful in regards to the referendum, nor that they/we should feel guilt, or any emotion, for the living standards we enjoy.

To me the referendum should pass because Indigenous Australians face unique issues that contribute to the many problems they face, and these issues require a unique response guided by an insight that most of us, including those in government, will never have. The response also requires a consistency and long term planning that our current system of governance struggles to achieve.

Constitutional recognition is a symbolic statement acknowledging the long history Aboriginal Australians have to this land. It will not have any negative impact to anyone.
 
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Tigaman said:
How can I accept responsibility for the actions of persons past who I have no connection with whatsoever ?. Also what about present day immigrants from the Mid East who have settled in Australia in the last four or five years because of Islamic terrorists forcing them out of their natural habitat. Do they have to take responsibility even when they can hardly understand the English language.
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Well then, how can you accept residency here which is only possible on the basis of things which happened before you were born?

I'm not saying you really have to leave, what I am saying is that you cannot say that because the dispossession of Aborigines occurred before you were born, it is of no consequence to you when you benefit from it every day you live in this country.

DS
 
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How do I show responsibility for the Actions of the Past. ?. Is there a set Procedure for it ?.
 
Tigaman said:
How do I show responsibility for the Actions of the Past. ?. Is there a set Procedure for it ?.
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You don’t need to show responsibility. Start with empathy and work from there.
 
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Brodders17 said:
i dont think arguing people should take responsibility for current living conditions faced by many Indigenous Australians is helpful in regards to the referendum, nor that they/we should feel guilt, or any emotion, for the living standards we enjoy.

To me the referendum should pass because Indigenous Australians face unique issues that contribute to the many problems they face, and these issues require a unique response guided by an insight that most of us, including those in government, will never have. The response also requires a consistency and long term planning that our current system of governance struggles to achieve.

Constitutional recognition is a symbolic statement acknowledging the long history Aboriginal Australians have to this land. It will not have any negative impact to anyone.
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This is the basis of the issue, very well put.

All the rest is noise
 
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Sintiger said:
So you are voting yes?
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LOL Sin Yes to No maybe ?. Might vote informal. Sit on the fence. If its a Yes accept it graciously like when Tigers lose by a point that Princess Park lot. If No the fallout will be worth watching.
 
Actually I think the Yea might just get over the line due to the Donkey vote. Plenty of people who do not give a rats about it will vote Donkey so it is off the agenda. Buried so they can just get on with their lives peacefully.
 
Tigaman said:
They are recognised in Australia's Constituition as you & I are because they are on Australia's Electoral Roll. I do think the Indigenous Australians who allowed Cook then First Fleet made a big big mistake in not repelling the landing. Then this lot would not be the problem for todays Australians but take your pick Spanish, Dutch, German , Portuguese ,Chinese , Japanese , Chinese, Russian or maybe Kim Jong-Un
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Are you trying to say that the British were the least worst invaders?

I'm not sure that when your culture is being wiped out through genocide, displacement and biological warfare, you'd sit back and say 'Oh well. At least it's not the Koreans giving me small pox."
 
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casper68 said:
l wasn't born until 1968, how long do you want me to feel guilty for what happened before l was born?
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I think we can acknowledge suffering and disempowerment without needing to feel guilty.

It's difficult to seperate our actions from our egos.
 
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Coburgtiger said:
Are you trying to say that the British were the least worst invaders?

I'm not sure that when your culture is being wiped out through genocide, displacement and biological warfare, you'd sit back and say 'Oh well. At least it's not the Koreans giving me small pox."
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Invaders Peaceful settlers just like the Mayflower. An Invasion is when in WW2 Germany invaded Poland, Belgium, France Greece. Then North Korea against South Korea. North Vietnam against South Vietnam . Now on our hands Putin invading the Ukraine . Maybe they were as Putin dubs his Ukraine excursion a "as special military operation ".

First Fleet 11 ships with crew & families onboard. Reverend Johnson on board with wife & servants Yeah where going to invade the Great Southern Land & we will take Mum & the kids with us.

The ships HMS Sirius a 20 gun 520 Tonnne
HMS Supply a armed Tender 170 Tonne

Transports Convicts with Marines as Guards

Alexander Barque
Charlotte Transport
Lady Penhryn Transport
Prince of Wales Barque
Scarborough Transport
Friendship Brig

Supply Ships Golden Grove
Fishburn
Borrowdale

Lol now biological warfare. Thats new.

Invasion Bedtime lullaby for the Dreamtimers.
 
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