I don't see how he's being racist ,he just made a comment about your post .
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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?
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this always happens on race on the internet
A couple of blokes bang on with the same repetitive racist crap,
And they dont get a rise,
So they up the ante,
Until they get called racists,
So they then can go
'Ive been cancelled by wokes playing the race card. My mate is black, so i can free speech'
But we got the data, and the data is overwhelmingly good
A couple of blokes bang on with the same repetitive racist crap,
And they dont get a rise,
So they up the ante,
Until they get called racists,
So they then can go
'Ive been cancelled by wokes playing the race card. My mate is black, so i can free speech'
But we got the data, and the data is overwhelmingly good
Sticks & stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. What can I call you ?. Better not might end up before The Beak.
Let's step back and get a few things straight.
Firstly, the constitution does not have detail on anything much. It does not mention cabinet government, it does not determine the voting system (we could go to first past the post without changing the constitution), it does not enshrine compulsory voting - all of these things and a lot more are determined by the parliament. The constitution is, be design, thin on detail. The Voice proposal is to enshrine an Indigenous representative body to the parliament. The specifics will be set by parliament, as they should be, if the referendum is successful. Furthermore, the lack of detail is deliberate because the way the Voice works will, and should, change over time.
Second: the Voice is not a response to specific problems in Indigenous communities. It is a response to the fact that Indigenous Australians have a unique place in our society. They are the people who had this country stolen off them. Regardless of whether there are issues specific to Indigenous communities in Australia, we are being asked to give a specific voice to the people who had a colonial system imposed on them and this is a recognition that the system of governance in Australia is not of their making, it is of the making of the colonisers, ie: us. Yes, I know, we weren't around when this place was colonised, but every day we live here we benefit from the colonisation of this land which was forcibly colonised to the direct detriment of the original inhabitants.
The straw man above of claiming that this won't solve all the problems is just that, a straw man. No-one is claiming that the Voice will solve all the problems, it is not the purpose of the Voice, the purpose of the Voice is to give a forum for the original inhabitants who had a governmental system imposed on them. Yes, we hope that with Indigenous representation there will be progress on these issues, the issues which arose under the government imposed upon this country by a foreign power.
There is a lot of missing the point above, so much that one does have to conclude it is deliberate.
DS
Firstly, the constitution does not have detail on anything much. It does not mention cabinet government, it does not determine the voting system (we could go to first past the post without changing the constitution), it does not enshrine compulsory voting - all of these things and a lot more are determined by the parliament. The constitution is, be design, thin on detail. The Voice proposal is to enshrine an Indigenous representative body to the parliament. The specifics will be set by parliament, as they should be, if the referendum is successful. Furthermore, the lack of detail is deliberate because the way the Voice works will, and should, change over time.
Second: the Voice is not a response to specific problems in Indigenous communities. It is a response to the fact that Indigenous Australians have a unique place in our society. They are the people who had this country stolen off them. Regardless of whether there are issues specific to Indigenous communities in Australia, we are being asked to give a specific voice to the people who had a colonial system imposed on them and this is a recognition that the system of governance in Australia is not of their making, it is of the making of the colonisers, ie: us. Yes, I know, we weren't around when this place was colonised, but every day we live here we benefit from the colonisation of this land which was forcibly colonised to the direct detriment of the original inhabitants.
The straw man above of claiming that this won't solve all the problems is just that, a straw man. No-one is claiming that the Voice will solve all the problems, it is not the purpose of the Voice, the purpose of the Voice is to give a forum for the original inhabitants who had a governmental system imposed on them. Yes, we hope that with Indigenous representation there will be progress on these issues, the issues which arose under the government imposed upon this country by a foreign power.
There is a lot of missing the point above, so much that one does have to conclude it is deliberate.
DS
Have a read of this,l think this explains the indigenous problems .
This is about 10 year's old,nothing has changed ,nor will it until real action is taken.
This is about 10 year's old,nothing has changed ,nor will it until real action is taken.
MLA Bess Price on 'the killing of our women, abuse of our kids' - Alice Springs News
Bess Price, the Member for Stuart, is a full blood Warlpiri woman, married to a white man, Dave Price, and they have a daughter, Jacinta, who is proud of her mixed ancestry. Ms Price made Territory history last August when she clinched the former blue-ribbon Labor seat for the Country Liberals...
alicespringsnews.com.au
BT, i do think you are well intentioned, but you keep going on about "real action" but I would suggest you probably have little idea what that means in this context, what has been tried before, what failed, and reasons why it failed.
there is no one simple solution- no matter how real it is.
abuse is linked to substance abuse which is linked to mental health and education, which is linked to physical health and substance abuse, which is linked to employment which is linked to incarceration rates and education and so on and so forth.
improvements need to made in all areas.
Yeah l agree and that will take real action ,not pandering and symbolic gestures .
Did you read the article l posted?
I have read the article.
I respect Bess Price, and her daughter Jacinta. I do believe they want solutions, but they are also as political as anyone, and always have been. Price does not actually articulate any "real action" only talks about the "left". Her way of getting wants she wants is to shoot down those who disagree, much like she spends this whole speech complaining about.
Her daughter, Jacinta Price has taken shots at the Labor party for allowing the alcohol restrictions Alice to end, while failing to acknowledge at all the her party, when in government did not extend them, and supported their end. I reckon Jacinta Price is a smart woman, always has been, but she has been building toward her political career for a long time.
I think Bess price has hit the nail on the head ,she has described the problems she has faced by speaking out about the serious issues ,not just from her own people,but from people in parliament .
I can't see how anybody can say, what Bess Price has said is political,she has spoken out about serious issues that is still happening today.
How can speaking out about child abuse,and domestic violence be considered as being political.
Jacinta Price was deputy mayor of Alice Springs ,before getting into parliament in 2022,l would think she has a excellent understanding of the indigenous people in NT
She may be a smart woman, but her arguments are mostly incoherent and completely unconvincing. She just describes the problem, alcohol abuse, domestic violence, youth crime, says voice won't change anything, then when pressed on what should happen she stammers and backtracks and answers unrelated questions.
On her Mayoress of Alice Springs tenure, never did any work, rarely turned up, its all on the record, her eyes were always and only on her next move. In that respect, she was in a position to make change, and she did nothing.
Of course it is political. How many times does she reference the "left" in her speech? and how many constructive policies does she offer?
Her speech was about the problems that exist ,not about policies .
And her references to the left, where about the people that opposed her.
How can you oppose someone that is speaking the truth ,and is using her platform as a member of parliament to get her point of view across.
Very few people are going to listen to Joe blow Mr every day citizen ,unless he is given a platform.
At least the main stream media are starting to highlight and speak about the serious issues .
You say she was Deputy Mayor of Alice Springs.
She speaks about the problems, ok, that's the start of the process.
Didn't talk about policies, while in a position of power?
You claim that as good performance?
No, good performance as Deputy Mayor would be precisely to talk about policies. To question bad policies, to actually make some proposals about how to fix the problems, not just say there are problems and offer nothing.
Clearly a Voice is needed where more points of view, and actual proposals for action, can be proposed and debated.
DS
If they get a Voice it will be come a talk fest with this turkey, that turkey all gobbling on & by the time they stop gobbling on no one will have benefited from The Gobble sic except those gobbling on in their cushy offices in Canberra. Anyway today our intrepid leader Albo announced a $424 million AUD package for our brudders & sisters. $150 Million for clean water , $117 Million for remote housing $21 Mill Family Violence. Bootiful but what he did not say when it would start or finish. $424 mill handout so why do they need a Voice when you have Albo. God's gift to the Australian people.
That post you quoted of mine was about Bess price .
As for Local council ,they don't make policies for a state/territory ,and are limited to what they can do in their local area, without state/federal funding..
You also have to remember that white people also pay rates ,so you can't just spend rate payers money on things that are for one group ,and excludes everyone else.
Jacinta Price is certainly making sure her voice is heard now she is in parliament ,whether people agree with her or not.
Anyway Dave you vote the way you want to ,but l would be voting no.
There has been years of discussions and their is no solution to their serious issues,at the rate the Governments past and present are going ,they will be saying sorry again in 20 years for not making the tough calls that are needed..
Also their is the NIAA that was implemented in 2019,l guess covid may of slowed there progress .
Who we are | NIAA
The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) works in genuine partnership to enable the self-determination and aspirations of First Nations communities.
In fairness to Albo
,Governments of all parties have been throwing money around for years .In fairness to Tony Abbott he stripped a lot of funding away.In fairness to Albo
Seriously though if you want to see improvements in the standard of living for Indigenous Australians you cannot complain about funding.
If people dont have housing it reduces the likelihood of kids coming into contact with violence escalates. if people dont have safe water health suffers, meaning people have to travel into regional centres, where kids cant access schooling whilst their health needs are being met, it means people have freer access to alcohol, it means they may have to stay with relatives etc increasing overcrowding.
If only there was a way to have a consistent body advising different governments on policies that effect Aboriginal Australians- perhaps we wouldnt have to keep "throwing money around" because things that worked would continue through changes of government and things that dont work wont be repeated every change of government.
I do really think you mean well, but i suggest you have a lot to learn of the issues facing Indigenous Australians, particularly those in remote areas.
Therefore Albo should know better to continue throwing money down the drain.In fairness to Albo
