Taking lessons from Iemma? For my next trick I'll be installing Bartlett as handball coach.tigersnake said:
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willo said:
Just read this bit. The last NSW government was the worst government, state/ fed, Lib/ ALP, I have ever seen. They were so bad I voted Lib for the first time in my life, and he's clutching at straws to try and polish the *smile* of his legacy. Amazing.
Interesting too how the bottom line for the Australian is that his comments 'represent a devastating setback for the government'. Interesting. its revealing. I would question that analysis on so many levels, I could write a tome on it. 1) Iemma is not a pillar of wisdom and integrity, 2) even if he was its just anothe drop in the sh!tstorm of anti-CT hysteria, the government is already devastated, this is hardly devastating, 3) Why is the Aus saying it is 'devastating' when it plainly isn't? The Aus could and should have said 'dissapointing/ irritating/ unwanted/ annoying etc comment' , but 'devastating setback'? Come on, this kind of spin reveals the Murdoch bias.
tigersnake said:
It is a problem, ney an epidemic, in our news media at the moment. Editorialising, comment posing as reporting. I keep hearing about how it is everybody's job to "hold the government to account". It is opposition's job....yes. The news media? I thought their job was to report the facts?
mld said:
the article reports Iemma's comments. it is not written by Iemma. the last 3 paragraphs then blend opinion as fact.
but then the article is written by greg sheridan, the guy who reckons the gov should consult a usa senator for climate policy, a usa senator who has extensive interests in the oil industry:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/more-sense-from-sensenbrenner-than-from-garnaut/story-e6frg6zo-1226084425409
KnightersRevenge said:
Gee it's annoying when people bag the media when essentially they just disagree with what's being said or written. Reporting the facts is for the front end of the newspaper, or the 5 minute news bulletins on the radio. Reporting the facts is "3 people have been killed in a car accident last night" or "Riewoldt kicks 5 goals in stunning performance against Geelong" (OK one of those might be fiction). But people like Neil Mitchell, Jon Faine, Michelle Grattan, jeez even Caroline Wilson and Mike Sheehan, are there to write or broadcast opinion. And some of that opinion you will agree with and some of it you will disagree with. It's all part of the political debate. Amongst that are a plethora of ex-politicians like Morris Iemma, Peter Costello and Jeff Kennett who I can't recall ever reporting car accidents or house fires so they're stuff must be opinion. You may not agree with their opinion, but it's theirs to share. And you can choose to read a variety of opinion and absorb a balance of differing views to get an understanding of an issue from all perspectives or you can be insular and just read what you agree with or ridicule another person's opinion because it differs from yours.
Having just written that, I was looking at The Australian when I found this which is basically making my point:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/truth-the-casualty-in-media-wars/story-fn59niix-1226100068362
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/truth-the-casualty-in-media-wars/story-fn59niix-1226100068362
mld said:
the article is written as a report not an opinion piece. you wont find it with the other opinion pieces on the oz website. it is branded an 'exclusive'- an exclusive reporting of Iemma's comments Im sure, not an exclusive sheridan opinion piece. until the last 3 paragraphs, and the last one in particular, it is purely a report of what Iemma said.
once opinion and reporting used to be clearly differentiated. not anymore i guess. - which is one of the problems with current media. opinion is presented as fact.
News it may well be, but he was a senior "state" member. Never part of the big game. And in that state he led one of the most corrupt and inept governments in Australia's history. Not sure why anyone would think that he is representative of, or ought to be listen to by, the federal ALP? The opinion spin piece seems to be suggesting that Iemma's opinion carries some weight. Really? The only reason he is quoted is because his statements support the aggressive anti-ALP stance of the paper it is in.evo said:
Total Tiger said:
An employee of the Aus rejects criticism of the Aus. Compelling stuff.
Sarcasm aside he is correct there is no anti-government conspiracy, and Conroy was naive in my view to say so. It gives them an out. You don't need a conspiracy in an organisation that is far right to its bootstraps.
Merveille said:
Well according to this, you would have to be a complete idiot in believing in climate change. As i'm far from being an expert, I'll have to condider that it is biased.
Dont both sides of politics believe in climate change. Dont both have a target of -5% in reductions. I thought the sticking point was how to get there??
dukeos said:
like most of abbott's policies, he believes in climate change and the 5% reduction sometimes, depending who he is talking to and which current government policy he is opposing.
Some warmist scare-mongering by 'holier than thou' Tanya Plibersek comes back to haunt her lol
Her silence when the key question is put to her tells all really. It is entertaining listening if nothing else.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9565
Her silence when the key question is put to her tells all really. It is entertaining listening if nothing else.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9565
Abbott's view on Climate change: Brought to you by Crikey. :hihi
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/09/climate-change-cage-match-abbott-debates-abbott/
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/09/climate-change-cage-match-abbott-debates-abbott/
