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I think its great that comrade Julia is unleashing this secret price on carbon which was foreshadowed in the campaign, was put before the House twice in the last term and was part of labors 2007 platform.
All monies will be used to form a world government.
All monies will be used to form a world government.
willo said:
There are 150 members of the house. You should take up your beef with the 72 coalition members who are effectively on strke taking their ball and bat home and putting cheap self interest before our interest. If they actually turned up for work and did something constructive labor wouldn't have to deal with the cross benches.
They are however in the main lazy, dim, economically illiterate purveyors of three word slogans and racist dog whistles.
There would be no possibility of a carbon tax if Abbott had not renegged on a deal the libs had reached with labor. But that's par for the course for a serial renegger who also renegged on a deal he signed with labor and the inependants on the new parliament.
I suppose you are OK with Abbott's four positions on climate change in the last 4 years . In 2007 he for for an ETS, in 2008 climate change was absolute crap, in 2009 he advocated a carbon tax and now he wants a 10.8 billion tax on US to give to polluters,
Totally inept and unfit for leadership. We can thank our lucky stars we lodged a massive bullet in August last year and ended up with a real leader who makes decisions in the national interest and then backs herself to the hit.
Get used to it, we will be fortunate to have Julia as PM for another 900 days at least - god bless our deliberately barren, godless female, boat person PM
lamb22 said:
Heaven forbid
But not beyond the realms of possibility, given what's happened here. 8)
I'm sure krudd agrees with you too. How she backed him to the hilt. Or was that she stuck the knife to the hilt in the back? :headscratchlamb22 said:
Legends of 1980 said:
I'm not interested in Murdoch style personality politics, just policy. Turnbull stabbed Nelson, Abbott stabbed turnbull - so what.
Its policy that counts and after 12 years of wasteland when nothing was done about water, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, pre schools' universities, capturing the savings of the mining boom, pensioners or climate change from a group of ideologues who were however still interested enough to bring in workchoices and a great big new tax in the GST and in the process increasing the government's level of taxes to levels above what labor had previously, we fortunately have had since 2007 a labor govt that:
Gave tax cuts of $40 billion;
increased pensions by $100 a week;
substantially increased health funding and reform - national and higher standards for treatment and waiting times, significant increase in funding (more hospital beds, more aged care beds, more training of GPs, more GP services
Provided an education rebate of up to $750 per secondary school student to most households ($375 for primary),
rolled out computers nationwide for secondary school students,
introduced a national curriculum,
increased funding including $550 million to improve teacher quality, $1.1 billion to counter educational disadvantage, and $540 million to improve literacy and numeracy,
established the My school website which provides information to parents on all schools,
massive infrastructure spend of $16.2 billion as part of the stimulus including $14.1 billion funding to 7 961 primary schools for 10 665 projects including new libraries, multipurpose halls, classrooms and the refurbishment of existing facilities; and $821.8 million to 537 secondary schools for the construction of new or refurbishment of existing science laboratories or language learning centres
more money for technical education and integration into secondary schools,
abolishing full fee university places which means that students now get in on merit rather than money,
providing funding for another 11,000 tertiary places in priority areas.
Reforming HECS so that kids studying science and maths get their fees halved and halved again if they become teachers or scientists. Increased equity and access to tertiary as more government school kids are attending than previous years as a proportion of total students.
As part of the stimulus package 5.6 billion dollars allocated to social housing projects which eased pressure on low income families and single people squeezed out by housing affordability issues (the average price of a home increasing from 3 times the average wage to 7 times the average wage under the Howard government). Committed an extra $1.2 billion to attack the present homeless rate of 105,000 people
Got rid of worhchoices: Individual AWAs abolished, 10 national employment standards enacted with minimum pay rates including maximum weekly hours of work –Requests for flexible working arrangements , Parental leave and related entitlements –Annual leave –Personal / carer’s leave and compassionate leave –. Community service leave, Long service leave –and – Notice of termination and redundancy pay , awards simplified, content of what can be in an enterprise agreement widened, enterprise agreements cannot be less than what is covered in an award, rights to challenge unfair dismissals reinstated. Workers conditions and workers security of employment has been markedly protected and improved.
Reduced our involvement in Iraq, been a prime mover behind the G20, lobbied for a Security Council seat improved relations with Asia and Europe and continued strong relations with US and Britain, increased our overseas aid allocation.
Saved us from the GFC, Acknowledged almost universally worldwide as the best managed OECD country during the crisis.
Our unemployment rate is 5 % about half of what OECD countries are around, Inflation is 2.7%, Cash rate is 4.75% and during the term got down to 3% in 2009 the lowest levels for nearly 50 years lower than at any time under the Howard or Fraser governments.
Ratified Kyoto, commissioned a report by Professor Garnaut and then crafted an ETS scheme which was rejected three times even after they negotiated with the opposition and got agreement which the liberals later reneged on by Abbott.
Introduced an insulation scheme which enabled 1.2 million houses to be insulated which will save more than 15 million tonnes of carbon emissions over 10 years, the equivalent of taking more than 300,000 cars off the road. Household energy consumption will also be reduced, by up to 25 per cent in centrally heated insulated homes and by up to 18 per cent in space-heated homes. The scheme also introduced standards and mandated training for installers which reduced the incidences of house fires per installation numbers.
And in the next term Julia will fix all the problems that the liberals were too weak or too lazy in 12 years yo even try:
The Murray Darling Basin and water buybacks while protecting communities;
A mining tax so that we get proper compensation for our minerals and can then provide company tax cuts, increase super and increase infrastrucure spending;
Rolling out the NBN and bringing equity to rural areas in the field of communications and high speed broadband to all (libs have had 18 different faield policies since 1996);
And finally ........ drum roll please ..... a market based emissions trading scheme to reduce our carbon footprint and provide the clean green jobs of the future.
I'm very proud we have a reformist givernment who actually acts to help our economy now and in the future and provides decent health and education services so that our quality of life and that of our kids and of our parents improve.
The alternative is...No, no, no...wreck, wreck, wreck,...whinge, whinge, whinge.
lamb22 said:
Surely you're not crediting JG (or should that be JC) with the recent rains as well?
lamb22 said:I'm not interested in Murdoch style personality politics, just policy. Turnbull stabbed Nelson, Abbott stabbed turnbull - so what.
Its policy that counts and after 12 years of wasteland when nothing was done about water, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, pre schools' universities, capturing the savings of the mining boom, pensioners or climate change from a group of ideologues who were however still interested enough to bring in workchoices and a great big new tax in the GST and in the process increasing the government's level of taxes to levels above what labor had previously, we fortunately have had since 2007 a labor govt that:
Gave tax cuts of $40 billion;
increased pensions by $100 a week;
substantially increased health funding and reform - national and higher standards for treatment and waiting times, significant increase in funding (more hospital beds, more aged care beds, more training of GPs, more GP services
Provided an education rebate of up to $750 per secondary school student to most households ($375 for primary),
rolled out computers nationwide for secondary school students,
introduced a national curriculum,
increased funding including $550 million to improve teacher quality, $1.1 billion to counter educational disadvantage, and $540 million to improve literacy and numeracy,
established the My school website which provides information to parents on all schools,
massive infrastructure spend of $16.2 billion as part of the stimulus including $14.1 billion funding to 7 961 primary schools for 10 665 projects including new libraries, multipurpose halls, classrooms and the refurbishment of existing facilities; and $821.8 million to 537 secondary schools for the construction of new or refurbishment of existing science laboratories or language learning centres
more money for technical education and integration into secondary schools,
abolishing full fee university places which means that students now get in on merit rather than money,
providing funding for another 11,000 tertiary places in priority areas.
Reforming HECS so that kids studying science and maths get their fees halved and halved again if they become teachers or scientists. Increased equity and access to tertiary as more government school kids are attending than previous years as a proportion of total students.
As part of the stimulus package 5.6 billion dollars allocated to social housing projects which eased pressure on low income families and single people squeezed out by housing affordability issues (the average price of a home increasing from 3 times the average wage to 7 times the average wage under the Howard government). Committed an extra $1.2 billion to attack the present homeless rate of 105,000 people
Got rid of worhchoices: Individual AWAs abolished, 10 national employment standards enacted with minimum pay rates including maximum weekly hours of work Requests for flexible working arrangements , Parental leave and related entitlements Annual leave Personal / carers leave and compassionate leave . Community service leave, Long service leave and Notice of termination and redundancy pay , awards simplified, content of what can be in an enterprise agreement widened, enterprise agreements cannot be less than what is covered in an award, rights to challenge unfair dismissals reinstated. Workers conditions and workers security of employment has been markedly protected and improved.
Reduced our involvement in Iraq, been a prime mover behind the G20, lobbied for a Security Council seat improved relations with Asia and Europe and continued strong relations with US and Britain, increased our overseas aid allocation.
Saved us from the GFC, Acknowledged almost universally worldwide as the best managed OECD country during the crisis.
Our unemployment rate is 5 % about half of what OECD countries are around, Inflation is 2.7%, Cash rate is 4.75% and during the term got down to 3% in 2009 the lowest levels for nearly 50 years lower than at any time under the Howard or Fraser governments.
Ratified Kyoto, commissioned a report by Professor Garnaut and then crafted an ETS scheme which was rejected three times even after they negotiated with the opposition and got agreement which the liberals later reneged on by Abbott.
Introduced an insulation scheme which enabled 1.2 million houses to be insulated which will save more than 15 million tonnes of carbon emissions over 10 years, the equivalent of taking more than 300,000 cars off the road. Household energy consumption will also be reduced, by up to 25 per cent in centrally heated insulated homes and by up to 18 per cent in space-heated homes. The scheme also introduced standards and mandated training for installers which reduced the incidences of house fires per installation numbers.
And in the next term Julia will fix all the problems that the liberals were too weak or too lazy in 12 years yo even try:
The Murray Darling Basin and water buybacks while protecting communities;
A mining tax so that we get proper compensation for our minerals and can then provide company tax cuts, increase super and increase infrastrucure spending;
Rolling out the NBN and bringing equity to rural areas in the field of communications and high speed broadband to all (libs have had 18 different faield policies since 1996);
And finally ........ drum roll please ..... a market based emissions trading scheme to reduce our carbon footprint and provide the clean green jobs of the future.
I'm very proud we have a reformist givernment who actually acts to help our economy now and in the future and provides decent health and education services so that our quality of life and that of our kids and of our parents improve.
The alternative is...No, no, no...wreck, wreck, wreck,...whinge, whinge, whinge.
OK. But how much of that is Krudd and how much is JG? I would hazard a guess and say the former. So next question is, if all that was so good, why dump him as leader? The things were getting done weren't they?
Big Cat Lover said:
Well Bob Hawke broke the drought 83..... ;D
Water management is what I was taliking about. A real indictment that while a lot of southern Australia was suffering a decade long drought and libs dithered and dithered until they cobbled something together on a napkin in 2006.
But you also said thank god we finally have a prime minister that is actually finally doing things - then giving examples of things that have been done, but by her predeccessor ???lamb22 said:
Legends of 1980 said:
I think I said makes decisions in the national interest and backs herself in.
Her negotation skills have been good securing the indies support, the health agreement with the premiers and a mining tax resolution with the big miners.
She's backed herself in on the NBN and is winning, health agreement and is winning, flood levy and is winning, and now the carbon price. Also the education stuff and dismantling workchoices was mostly Gillard's work as the previous education and IR minister
She's only been going 6 months asPM and she's now hitting her strides.
She and Australia have some big challenges ahead like making sure trade exposed industries and households are protected while moving to a low carbon economy and the murray darling basin problem of trying to keep communities going while saving the rivers is massive. That's why the libs didn't touch 'em. Just too hard.
She might come up short, but I'm glad she's having a go.
If the government hadn't taken the really bold (risky? couragous?) actions when the GFC hit - we might be looking at 10% unemployment now. A government has to act decisively and that's what Julia is doing right now.
lamb22 said:
Agree it's a massive issue, not sure how successful, on both an environmental & financial level, the desalination plant will be
Personally, I don't understand why there wasn't a big push to extend existing storage reservoirs/dams during the recent dry periods, nor do I see a reason not to have water restrictions made permanent
