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Global Warming
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IanG said:
Abbott realises you would be a fool to think otherwise. He is taking the sceptical view on the cause. Easier that way I suppose. Still ignores the evidence though.
A newly released survey done in 2008 of 375 climate scientists - mostly mainstream ones - reveals not quite the certainty and unanimity we’re so often sold by the Leftist media:
66.5% agreed or strongly agreed that future climate “will be a result of anthropogenic causes.”
Even so, there are areas of climate science that some people want to claim is settled, but where scientists don’t agree.
Only 12% agree or strongly agree that data availability for climate change analysis is adequate. More than 21% disagree or strongly disagree…
Perhaps most importantly, only 17.75% agree or strongly agree with the statement, “The state of theoretical understanding of climate change phenomena is adequate.” An equal percentage disagreed or strongly disagreed.
A third also agree or strongly agree that “external politics” has influenced the direction of climate research this past decade.
http://coast.gkss.de/staff/storch/pdf/GKSS_2010_9.CLISCI.pdf
66.5% agreed or strongly agreed that future climate “will be a result of anthropogenic causes.”
Even so, there are areas of climate science that some people want to claim is settled, but where scientists don’t agree.
Only 12% agree or strongly agree that data availability for climate change analysis is adequate. More than 21% disagree or strongly disagree…
Perhaps most importantly, only 17.75% agree or strongly agree with the statement, “The state of theoretical understanding of climate change phenomena is adequate.” An equal percentage disagreed or strongly disagreed.
A third also agree or strongly agree that “external politics” has influenced the direction of climate research this past decade.
http://coast.gkss.de/staff/storch/pdf/GKSS_2010_9.CLISCI.pdf
Professors Dr Klaus Landfried of Heidelberg and Dr Werner Kirstein of the Institute for Geography at the University of Leipzig hold a seminar University of Leipzig:
The seminar is titled: ”Where’s The Climate Change?…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRszuxcyJjg#!
At the 7:10 mark Dr Landfried slams any peer review process run by a good ol boys network.
'In the world of science it is unavoidable, as humans are involved, that there are always attempts to portray truths as unacceptable, or to try to suppress them using methods that have nothing to do with science, and perhaps to even slander persons in an attempt shut them up. One method used here is to claim that everything that is good must go through peer review.'
Dr Landfried delivers his speech forcefully, slamming peer review processes that involve a cartel of ideas, where some participants are excluded, and the others focus on concentrating their power. He reminds us that the misuse of peer review has always been a problem in science…
At the 13-minute mark, Dr. Werner Kirstein starts his presentation. He addresses three main topics:
1. Are the IPCC model-based climate projections something to be taken seriously?…
2. Sea level rise and glaciers
- Satellite photos show that Bangladesh is actually growing 20 sq km per year…
- Rahmstorf projects 140 cm rise, Fred Singer 18 cm, the GFZ 2mm/yr, Mörner max. 20cm by 2100
- North German coast: no detection of any acceleration in sea level rise.
- For the Pacific Micronesia, tectonics are at play.
- Observations vs models, nature vs IPCC....
- In the last 10,000 years, glaciers have been smaller than they are today 2/3 of the time.
- Arctic ice is also within boundaries of natural variation.
3. The controversy and politics of climate change
Many meteorologists say about climate science: “ That’s political and has nothing to do with science.”
Dr. Kirstein: “Climate change? – That’s political and has nothing to do with normal science, it’s post-normal science.” With post-normal science, politics is at the forefront and science is just a tool to promote and drive “good” policy” by spreading fear and sticking to a dogma. In the early 1980s, “scientists” projected that all trees would die in Europe by 2005.
The seminar is titled: ”Where’s The Climate Change?…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRszuxcyJjg#!
At the 7:10 mark Dr Landfried slams any peer review process run by a good ol boys network.
'In the world of science it is unavoidable, as humans are involved, that there are always attempts to portray truths as unacceptable, or to try to suppress them using methods that have nothing to do with science, and perhaps to even slander persons in an attempt shut them up. One method used here is to claim that everything that is good must go through peer review.'
Dr Landfried delivers his speech forcefully, slamming peer review processes that involve a cartel of ideas, where some participants are excluded, and the others focus on concentrating their power. He reminds us that the misuse of peer review has always been a problem in science…
At the 13-minute mark, Dr. Werner Kirstein starts his presentation. He addresses three main topics:
1. Are the IPCC model-based climate projections something to be taken seriously?…
2. Sea level rise and glaciers
- Satellite photos show that Bangladesh is actually growing 20 sq km per year…
- Rahmstorf projects 140 cm rise, Fred Singer 18 cm, the GFZ 2mm/yr, Mörner max. 20cm by 2100
- North German coast: no detection of any acceleration in sea level rise.
- For the Pacific Micronesia, tectonics are at play.
- Observations vs models, nature vs IPCC....
- In the last 10,000 years, glaciers have been smaller than they are today 2/3 of the time.
- Arctic ice is also within boundaries of natural variation.
3. The controversy and politics of climate change
Many meteorologists say about climate science: “ That’s political and has nothing to do with science.”
Dr. Kirstein: “Climate change? – That’s political and has nothing to do with normal science, it’s post-normal science.” With post-normal science, politics is at the forefront and science is just a tool to promote and drive “good” policy” by spreading fear and sticking to a dogma. In the early 1980s, “scientists” projected that all trees would die in Europe by 2005.
Go back over some of the Antman's posts. Nothing lightweight about them.
He was just pointing out that uncredited rehashing of Bolta is pretty boring (and a bit lightweight
).
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He was just pointing out that uncredited rehashing of Bolta is pretty boring (and a bit lightweight
).(edit=typo)
lamb22 said:
Mmmm, your linked article about extreme weather events, fires and floods that have never occurred before, like for millions of years, does worry me. Even though i have read many times where 'experts' stated we won't have the rains, and don't build a dam because it won't fill - why? because of climate change.. Well now it appears climate change covers EVERYTHING.. except 'normal' weather, but they are working on that too.. :rofl
This article concerned me as well....;
The Washington Post
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the Eastern Arctic,
while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before
ventured so far North, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
See Below:
Oops! Never mind. This report was from November 2, 1922, as
reported by the Associated Press and published in the Washington Post
- 88 years ago!’
Merveille said:
Like I said Merveille - all hunky dory. Last 34 years being warmer than the 20th century average and last 15 being the warmest on record dont matter when you can quote unnamed experts as being duds and then chuck in a rolling smiley.
As in most things context is everything. Ignore context and throw in some red herrings and hey presto everything is hunky dory!
PS Climate change does cover everything and the scientists have been making the claim for a while that warming will lead to more extreme weather events ie dry areas getting drier, wet areas getting wetter (because warmer air and ocean temperatures mean more evaporation and bigger storms). I think a CSIRO scientist called Pearman published something along these lines in 1988. NASA have certainly made this point over the last decade or so.
Australia has traditionally been a land of drought and flooding rains. What we'd want to avoid is even more drought and flooding rains........naah on second thoughts she'll be right.
lamb22 said:
'Australia has traditionally been a land of drought and flooding rains. What we'd want to avoid is even more drought and flooding rains'..
From the sublime to the ridiculous.. taking on mother nature are we..? Do you have any idea of the prevalence of flooding rains and droughts in Australia pre records i.e the other 99.99999% of the time....?? Have you ever looked at Australian rainfall charts for this century?
Further, I use quotations re 'experts' (is this my 'red herring??) - off the top of my head, people like Flannery saying it won't rain like it used to, Citires wil run out of water.
Also we have to listen to politicians Penny Wong, Bracks, Holding , even the CSIRO etc etc stating it is not going to rain like it used to, precipitation will be less...dams won't fill....- other 'experts' overseas in Europe stating children are not going to know what snow looks like etc.,...these comments are all on the record and based on what YOU are saying do not make sense. Why do I (we ) have to put up with the un-accountable b.llsh.t..?
