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General Trade Discussion 2022
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Not saying we should get him, however I’m surprised Crowden has got the sars from Freo , obviously I don’t watch anywhere enough footy as I thought he was a regular starting 22 for them
Since 2018 Pies Finals votes by the Coaches-
Adams 26
Sidebottom 26
De Goey 18
Crisp 16
Pendlebury 16
Moore 14
Howe 13
Cox 10
Maynard 8
Grundy 6
Big time Finals player, 10th best at the Pies!!
Probably ranks him the last 5 years about 80th best finals player for 2018-2022
Since 2018 Pies Finals votes by the Coaches-
Adams 26
Sidebottom 26
De Goey 18
Crisp 16
Pendlebury 16
Moore 14
Howe 13
Cox 10
Maynard 8
Grundy 6
Big time Finals player, 10th best at the Pies!!
Probably ranks him the last 5 years about 80th best finals player for 2018-2022
1. Martin
2. Shuey
3. Neale
4. Petracca
5. Oliver
6. Grundy
7. Liberatore
8. Wines
9. Bontempelli
10. Edwards
By David King. Noted
1. Martin
2. Shuey
3. Neale
4. Petracca
5. Oliver
6. Grundy
7. Liberatore
8. Wines
9. Bontempelli
10. Edwards
Well, interestingly, Luff was the one who made the presentation on the state of the St Kilda list to…wait for it….Noble and co. who were behind the overall St Kilda review.I know man, I know
Where the Great List manager Glenn Luff comes from
Luff walked out on Noble at North for not being on the same page.
Now that’s weird.
I'm confused?
After the trade period ends, then it's time to see the best 23 for 2023.
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Geelong
B: Jake Kolodjashnij, Sam De Koning, Jack Henry
HB: Zach Guthrie, Tom Stewart, Jed Bews
C: Max Holmes, Patrick Dangerfield, Isaac Smith
HF: Gryan Miers, Jeremy Cameron, Brad Close
F: Tyson Stengle, Tom Hawkins, Gary Rohan
FOLL: Rhys Stanley, Mark Blicavs, Cameron Guthrie
I/C: Mitch Duncan, Brandan Parfitt, Mark O’Connor, Tom Atkins
Medical Sub: Zach Tuohy
"Not many changes are needed to a side that won the Grand Final by 81 points. The defence is young and healthy.
Elder statesman Mitch Duncan may play a similar role to Joel Selwood this season, coming off the bench and missing a game here and there to keep him fresh. New recruit Jack Bowes will likely be the first cab off the rank to fill a midfield or back-flank spot should form/injury warrant a change.
In the forward line, Gary Rohan’s age may mean he also misses the odd game to rest up, with Ollie Henry a handy replacement as he tries to earn a regular spot in the dynamic, pressurised Cats forward line.
Others on the outer such as new recruit Tanner Bruhn, Sam Menegola, Jonathon Ceglar, and Esava Ratugolea may have to wait their turn to break into the reigning premiers’ side.
With Pick 7 also in the upcoming National Draft, it is an enviable position Geelong finds itself in."
So from me - As well as losing their inspirational leader, a four-time premiership player not one of the three new recruits from the '10/10 media graded' trade period are named in their best 23?
Richmond
B: Nathan Broad, Robbie Tarrant, Dylan Grimes
HB: Nick Vlastuin, Noah Balta, Daniel Rioli
C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF: Maurice Rioli Jr, Jack Riewoldt, Shai Bolton
F: Noah Cumberland, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin
FOLL: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper
I/C: Trent Cotchin, Jayden Short, Ivan Soldo, Liam Baker
Medical Sub: Jack Graham
"Richmond was one of the many winners from the trade period as it put itself firmly back into premiership contention in 2023.
Although the Tigers have lost experienced premiership players, Shane Edwards and Kane Lambert, their midfield won’t lose much talent bringing in two former Giants in Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto.
With the depth of the midfield group now expanded, Richmond can use its best six in many different ways. Both Taranto and Hopper are powerful inside midfielders, who can roll forward which will allow the likes of Shai Bolton and Dustin Martin to push through the middle as well."
From me - So they named both the Richmond in-comings in the best 23.
How did they win the draft? Bringing in bench sitters?
After the trade period ends, then it's time to see the best 23 for 2023.
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Geelong
B: Jake Kolodjashnij, Sam De Koning, Jack Henry
HB: Zach Guthrie, Tom Stewart, Jed Bews
C: Max Holmes, Patrick Dangerfield, Isaac Smith
HF: Gryan Miers, Jeremy Cameron, Brad Close
F: Tyson Stengle, Tom Hawkins, Gary Rohan
FOLL: Rhys Stanley, Mark Blicavs, Cameron Guthrie
I/C: Mitch Duncan, Brandan Parfitt, Mark O’Connor, Tom Atkins
Medical Sub: Zach Tuohy
"Not many changes are needed to a side that won the Grand Final by 81 points. The defence is young and healthy.
Elder statesman Mitch Duncan may play a similar role to Joel Selwood this season, coming off the bench and missing a game here and there to keep him fresh. New recruit Jack Bowes will likely be the first cab off the rank to fill a midfield or back-flank spot should form/injury warrant a change.
In the forward line, Gary Rohan’s age may mean he also misses the odd game to rest up, with Ollie Henry a handy replacement as he tries to earn a regular spot in the dynamic, pressurised Cats forward line.
Others on the outer such as new recruit Tanner Bruhn, Sam Menegola, Jonathon Ceglar, and Esava Ratugolea may have to wait their turn to break into the reigning premiers’ side.
With Pick 7 also in the upcoming National Draft, it is an enviable position Geelong finds itself in."
So from me - As well as losing their inspirational leader, a four-time premiership player not one of the three new recruits from the '10/10 media graded' trade period are named in their best 23?
Richmond
B: Nathan Broad, Robbie Tarrant, Dylan Grimes
HB: Nick Vlastuin, Noah Balta, Daniel Rioli
C: Marlion Pickett, Tim Taranto, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF: Maurice Rioli Jr, Jack Riewoldt, Shai Bolton
F: Noah Cumberland, Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin
FOLL: Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jacob Hopper
I/C: Trent Cotchin, Jayden Short, Ivan Soldo, Liam Baker
Medical Sub: Jack Graham
"Richmond was one of the many winners from the trade period as it put itself firmly back into premiership contention in 2023.
Although the Tigers have lost experienced premiership players, Shane Edwards and Kane Lambert, their midfield won’t lose much talent bringing in two former Giants in Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto.
With the depth of the midfield group now expanded, Richmond can use its best six in many different ways. Both Taranto and Hopper are powerful inside midfielders, who can roll forward which will allow the likes of Shai Bolton and Dustin Martin to push through the middle as well."
From me - So they named both the Richmond in-comings in the best 23.
How did they win the draft? Bringing in bench sitters?
I know man, I know
Where the Great List manager Glenn Luff comes from
So, all based on stats & spreadsheets, a truly great way to critique a football teams list.
Where the ruckmen get hundreds of points for just tapping the ball, and who cares where it goes and who gets itSo, all based on stats & spreadsheets, a truly great way to critique a football teams list.
Champion Data have a very sound methodology, much more reliable than coaches votes, Brownlow votes & random medals.I know man, I know
Where the Great List manager Glenn Luff comes from
vs Giants (PF 2019)
25 disposals, 75 hit outs, 11 clearances
vs Cats (QF 2019)
21 disposals, 47 hit outs, 7 clearances
vs Tigers (2018 PF)
21 disposals, 56 hit outs, 5 clearances, 1 goal
vs Eagles (2018 QF)
18 disposals, 48 hit outs, 5 clearances
vs Giants (2018 SF)
18 disposals, 38 hit outs, 2 clearances
vs Eagles (2020 EF)
12 disposals, 19 hit outs, 2 clearances
vs Eagles (2018 GF)
10 disposals, 49 hit outs, 4 clearances
vs Cats
10 disposals, 20 hit outs, 2 clearances
Much better than Brownlow votes. Honestly, when was the last time these football awards recognised anything other than midfielders?So, all based on stats & spreadsheets, a truly great way to critique a football teams list.
Brownlow votes should never be used as a means of deciding the merit of a player. The voting is done by umpires who don't look beyond their noses.
The umps check that rubbish before they vote, they got sucked into 'check the stats', so they don't give BOG's to Robbert Klomp!
They can sure as hell lose you games, especially when you are giving guys like Lachie Neale first use.
The long term evidence is that when Grundy was at his best he was number 1 ruckman and playing the majority of his time on the ball. He will now play 50% at best in that role. So will the undisputed best ruckman in the AFL
It's not that I don't think Grundy was and can still be a very good player, it is that he won't be able to replicate the role he had when was so good.
To me it's like Carlton recruiting Tom Lynch when the already have McKay and Curnow.
