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General Trade Discussion 2022

Only a hypothetical
If we have to use pick 30, future 1st and Soldo (and pay part of his wage)
Would we have any interest in
a) Return of later picks (39,59,?)
b) Riccardi (key forward, money off their TPP, 23y next season, 195cms)
c) Flynn/Briggs (cheap, break glass in case of an emergency)
Anything there worth the ask?
 
The best way to look at what we paid for Taranto is: we got pick 19 for Coleman-Jones, who we got with the pick 20 we got along with pick 25 (Balta) when we traded the picks 15 and 52 we got for Lids. Wrapped up in the CJ trade were our picks 42 and 47 last year and this year's 4th-rounder but we also got Tarrant and pick 40, which we bundled with pick 38 and this year's 3rd-rounder to get pick 27 last year, which became pick 28 which we used to draft Sonsie. So as you can plainly see, it's really Lids and picks 12, 38, 42, 47, 49 and 67 for Balta, Taranto, Sonsie and Tarrant.

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The best way to look at what we paid for Taranto is: we got pick 19 for Coleman-Jones, who we got with the pick 20 we got along with pick 25 (Balta) when we traded the picks 15 and 52 we got for Lids. Wrapped up in the CJ trade were our picks 42 and 47 last year and this year's 4th-rounder but we also got Tarrant and pick 40, which we bundled with pick 38 and this year's 3rd-rounder to get pick 27 last year, which became pick 28 which we used to draft Sonsie. So as you can plainly see, it's really Lids and picks 12, 42, 47, 49 and 67 for Balta, Taranto, Sonsie and Tarrant.

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We didn’t get 19 for CCJ. We paid a heap of later picks including this years 3rd rounder also
 
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The best way to look at what we paid for Taranto is: we got pick 19 for Coleman-Jones, who we got with the pick 20 we got along with pick 25 (Balta) when we traded the picks 15 and 52 we got for Lids. Wrapped up in the CJ trade were our picks 42 and 47 last year and this year's 4th-rounder but we also got Tarrant and pick 40, which we bundled with pick 38 and this year's 3rd-rounder to get pick 27 last year, which became pick 28 which we used to draft Sonsie. So as you can plainly see, it's really Lids and picks 12, 42, 47, 49 and 67 for Balta, Taranto, Sonsie and Tarrant.

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But did we get beaten in total points value!!
 
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The best way to look at what we paid for Taranto is: we got pick 19 for Coleman-Jones, who we got with the pick 20 we got along with pick 25 (Balta) when we traded the picks 15 and 52 we got for Lids. Wrapped up in the CJ trade were our picks 42 and 47 last year and this year's 4th-rounder but we also got Tarrant and pick 40, which we bundled with pick 38 and this year's 3rd-rounder to get pick 27 last year, which became pick 28 which we used to draft Sonsie. So as you can plainly see, it's really Lids and picks 12, 38, 42, 47, 49 and 67 for Balta, Taranto, Sonsie and Tarrant.

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Yeah seems about right.
 
Watch GWS trade them for a top 5 pick

You really think picks 13 & 21 (which is what they actually are) is going to get a Top 5 pick?

Just one example where those types of picks has landed a top 5 will do.
 
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It’s about assessing fairness and equivalency in a deal. If you don’t use anything, how do you know if you’re getting overs or unders when multiple picks are at play ? Or, if you’re trying to assess a deal v deals of a similar nature historically, how does it stack up ?

You’re just guessing if you don’t have some sort of standardised point of reference to use.

If it wasn’t of value it wouldn’t exist and clubs wouldn’t use it - which they do.

Yeah understand you need some sort of reference point.

Just don't think it is accurate. It demeans the really high end picks and also overrates picks > 35 where it really doesn't matter.

You only need to look at what picks Collingwood with Nick Daicos and Dogs with Sam Darcy gave up to see how unrealistic the weighting can be.
 
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Yeah understand you need some sort of reference point.

Just don't think it is accurate. It demeans the really high end picks and also overrates picks > 35 where it really doesn't matter.

You only need to look at what picks Collingwood with Nick Daicos and Dogs with Sam Darcy gave up to see how unrealistic the weighting can be.
Not really. The picks are weighted on a sliding scale to account for high end v lower end. You could argue for a greater adjustment, but the principle is sound enough.

Yeah, so Daicos was valued highly enough by Cwood to match a bid - which was 4 players for the one. That was the value they had on Daicos. If they considered Daicos to be a lesser player, and they were considering matching a bid, what formula or system would they use to say “no…we’re now paying overs” ?

You have to use SOMETHING as a guide. You can’t just trade all the time on a perceived value or arbitrary basis.
 
Who cares if Taranto's points value is equivalent to a pick 4.
If we're banging on about him being equivalent to a pick 4 then I was always under the impression drafting at pick 4 you'd want them to be a 7-10 year AFL player?
Isn't that what we're expecting from him? He's on a 7 year contract, he could go another 2-3 years after as well.
Or are we expecting him to be a Cale Morton, Anthony Morabito, Jimmy Toumpas, Jarrod Pickett (Pick 4's the last 15 years)
This. And let’s not forget Taranto was pick 2 himself. And he’s still a top 4 player from his draft year. Only guys you could argue that should have gone above him would have to be Bolton, English and Mcluggage.
 
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When the Horne-Francis situation is discussed, this is overlooked.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/ex...s/news-story/659f2870ad5199e32319d1abb0b3497d.

Horne-Francis's mother has a four-month-old baby with Fabian Francis. So all of a sudden, his mother is on her own with a baby.

Changes the dynamics of the situation.
Pretty sure that’s very old and just got bought up again. The step dad did time in 2012ish from what I understand for what he had done. At that time he tried to get of it to care for the baby.

There’s a doco on Stan I think it is with jason Horne Francis in his draft year. In that doco he explains he has one day a week of work to care for his baby brother who is 1. That article mentions a much younger baby girl.