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Game Day - Tigers V Swans

What a frustrating game.

So many issues to address.

In the middle we are just so static. You see it week after week. Opposition players running past the ruck contest to get the ball and our players just moving a lot slower, I don't now what they are doing to be honest, they constantly seem to be where the ball isn't. Our mids just don't seem to hunt the ball, not sure how they expect to get it.

Up forward there was no separation, they all just seem to be in the same place. Everybody knows that Sydney will try to clog up your forward line, you have to stretch them, you have to present, but our forward line is so static. No movement No-one to kick to.

In pack situations, time after time you see multiple Richmond players contest the mark and none stay down. Marking contests in our back line where there were Sydney players out the back with no-one on them, clear space to the goal. In our forward line, same story, plenty of Sydney players who can gather the crumbs, barely a Richmond player in sight.

Game plan? Do we have one? I could see no evidence of one tonight. There are some attempts to go sideways to find space, which is a premium the way football is played these days. But this is reactive. Defences are set up to nullify forward movement, we don't have the skills to pick our way through, we end up kicking backwards but still no avenue forward. What exactly is the set-up, what is the strategy to move the ball forward? The only strategy I can see is to try not to be the one who causes the turnover. Plus, when we do go sideways the execution and awareness are lacking.

Some players are in real trouble.

Vlastuin is a shadow of the player he was before Danger ironed him out. I think it was in the last quarter where Vlastuin had a little space to himself but instead of marking he punched the ball away from goals. He would have just marked it in years gone by.

Cotchin looks to be a spent force, but get him to 300, he does deserve that.

I am willing to persist with Ryan and Miller, both need to improve a lot, and both need some serious skills training, but they could be good.

Balta has totally lost me. It wasn't just a brain fade that intercepted handball. The Sydney player knew exactly what Balta was about to do but Balta did not have the awareness or, to be honest, the ability to think fast enough, to react. Once he saw the Sydney player about to come past him he could have decided not to handball and instead move in the other direction and kick it out of the defensive 50. But he just cannot respond quickly enough. He just seems to be incapable of thinking fast enough for the modern game.

A very disappointing effort tonight. Next week won't be pretty.

Umpiring was the usual rubbish. I note Vlastuin got shirtfronted and no free, but, hey, you can concuss Vlastuin with impunity so why not. The adjudication of the insufficient intent to keep the ball in play tonight was all over the place, woeful.

DS
 
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What a frustrating game.

So many issues to address.

In the middle we are just so static. You see it week after week. Opposition players running past the ruck contest to get the ball and our players just moving a lot slower, I don't now what they are doing to be honest, they constantly seem to be where the ball isn't. Our mids just don't seem to hunt the ball, not sure how they expect to get it.

Up forward there was no separation, they all just seem to be in the same place. Everybody knows that Sydney will try to clog up your forward line, you have to stretch them, you have to present, but our forward line is so static. No movement No-one to kick to.

In pack situations, time after time you see multiple Richmond players contest the mark and none stay down. Marking contests in our back line where there were Sydney players out the back with no-one on them, clear space to the goal. In our forward line, same story, plenty of Sydney players who can gather the crumbs, barely a Richmond player in sight.

Game plan? Do we have one? I could see no evidence of one tonight. There are some attempts to go sideways to find space, which is a premium the way football is played these days. But this is reactive. Defences are set up to nullify forward movement, we don't have the skills to pick our way through, we end up kicking backwards but still no avenue forward. What exactly is the set-up, what is the strategy to move the ball forward? The only strategy I can see is to try not to be the one who causes the turnover. Plus, when we do go sideways the execution and awareness are lacking.

Some players are in real trouble.

Vlastuin is a shadow of the player he was before Danger ironed him out. I think it was in the last quarter where Vlastuin had a little space to himself but instead of marking he punched the ball away from goals. He would have just marked it in years gone by.

Cotchin looks to be a spent force, but get him to 300, he does deserve that.

I am willing to persist with Ryan and Miller, both need to improve a lot, and both need some serious skills training, but they could be good.

Balta has totally lost me. It wasn't just a brain fade that intercepted handball. The Sydney player knew exactly what Balta was about to do but Balta did not have the awareness or, to be honest, the ability to think fast enough, to react. Once he saw the Sydney player about to come past him he could have decided not to handball and instead move in the other direction and kick it out of the defensive 50. But he just cannot respond quickly enough. He just seems to be incapable of thinking fast enough for the modern game.

A very disappointing effort tonight. Next week won't be pretty.

Umpiring was the usual rubbish. I note Vlastuin got shirtfronted and no free, but, hey, you can concuss Vlastuin with impunity so why not. The adjudication of the insufficient intent to keep the ball in play tonight was all over the place, woeful.

DS
Miller needs a rocket under him with a demand to attack the ball/contest - otherwise AFL isn’t for him.

Ryan needs to spend every spare second he has learning to mark (especially a wet ball) & developing elite aerobic ability. Looks like a cow with a cup of tea when played forward.
 
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What a frustrating game.

So many issues to address.
Yep, so many issues. The blokes that can get the ball can't kick it, the ones who can kick it can't get it. After relying on our pace and desperation for the last six years, we plod through the midfield and forward line
 
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Yep, so many issues. The blokes that can get the ball can't kick it, the ones who can kick it can't get it. After relying on our pace and desperation for the last six years, we plod through the midfield and forward line
Plod indeed. I didn’t realise Taranto was as slow as he was. Never noticed it before. Concerning.
 
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Haven't seen Grimes lose as many one on one contests and as for Balta; still plays like a guy in his 1st season with some of those awful turnovers.
Between Bolton, Balta and Ralph-Smith cost us about 8 goals.
Lastly, we are dead last in comp for centre clearances and easily the most ineffective when we do get a clean break.
That's the issue we create most the opposition scores either by under 14's mistakes aka Balta, or we just miss kicks or handballs. but our discipline is a disgrace.
We have something genetically embedded in us.
If we lose a game we thought we were meant to win Aka the doggies game we trend to go a 3-4 losing run.
It happened last year Freo Sydney Nth and Gc.
It happened in 2012 Carlton Nth GC
We look spent. And I don't blame them, not many sides are the best for 2 yrs in a row let alone 4yrs.
They need to regroup don't panick and start trying things.
I want Dow and Sonie in the guts.
Play Miller CHF for 5 weeks.
Try and if they aren't good enough. Send them on there way
 
Did you see this coming round 19,20,21,22 last year?
They topped up because we were very close.
Things don't always turn to gold.
Wc did it with Kelly
Brisbane did it with Fev etc
No didn`t watch them, I was in my bunker cause I had intel the world was about to end. We finished 7th last year. Lost to bottom side in Round 18. What were we very close to exactly? If you truly believed that clearly this year is showing that you were wrong. Simply our guns are too old and two similar midfielders on large long-term contracts weren`t going to fix that. 1 x Round 2 draft picks in 2 seasons, that`s it.

No point whining, our quality has allowed us to remain competitive since 2020 but at some stage the guard must change with which comes some heartache.
 
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Hawks were our blueprint with the ageing stars and trying to top up with OMeara and Mitchell etc. We are going in the exact same trajectory. In hindisght we should have learnt from their mistakes. Cut harder the last 2 years and drafted more Gibcus' and less Browns'.

Think even the most one eyed supporters can see we are nowhere near it at this stage regardless of injuries. Its the game plan and structure, ill discipline and lack of composure that is telling.

From what im seeing i think Dimma has tried to tinker with the gameplan a little too much and has confused the entire system. We have cattle that needs minimum instructions and a very basic plan. Gone back to his pre 2017 days of overthinking everything. Unfortunately also dont think we have the assistants atm that can help turn that around.

Unless the stand rule is abolished just not sure Dimma is the man that can take us fwd any longer.

Reality is the signs have been there since 2021. Our best players after 3 flags and ageing legs have lost that absolute hunger to succeed. Cotchin the perfect example. He is not playing in 2023 to win another flag. He is playing to get to 300 games. Can almost guarantee he retires right after his 300th.
Hes earnt it but it does come at a cost.
 
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Wonder if Hopper and Taranto are ruing the day they were recruited by Richmond.
Bad timing
If they joined the club round 17 last year.
We would be singing our 4th flag in 6yrs.
They have walked into a club that is door mat flat. Senior players look spent (not sure I would be asking Grimes to stay on, especially if we continue in this fashion)
The kids aren't there. Not yet anyway. We just need to be smart now. Let's see what other clubs are interested in and start bringing in players.
Free agents Himmelberg
At least he can mark.
Pick kids that are 21 or 22 ready. They all don't need to be 18. The VFL is a gold mine in regards to quality kids Ryan, Milocheck, Hibberd, Lambert
It's the end of the road with this group.
We don't know how good they are till they are gone.
Lambert best runner I've ever seen. He invented running 2 ways.
Edwards the skill doctor. That hand balled balls, others would struggle to make.
And tackled like a panther. Just ask Butters and Duursma they still haven't recovered.

Stay strong we waited 37yrs we can now wait 10.
 
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A few posts up someone said we weren't close last year.
Ahhh yes we were. We beat Brisbane in that final and we win the whole thing.
Anyway. Umpires stuffed that.

I thought we would win it this year. How wrong I was.
Didnt see this coming.
 
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We also had the perfect opportunity to start the regeneration when genuine interest was shown for Soldo, Graham and Ralphmsith. These are the exact sorts we need to start cutting. We have seen the best of Soldo and Graham. They have hit their ceiling. Ralphsmith just aint that good which brings me to another point. Our cubs. Think some we have overrated and others have been screwed by clueless coaching and development which is a bigger concern.
Ross, Miller, MRJ, Ralphsmith(he is a HHF not a backman), Balta and others that have been continually moved around instead of allowed to develop in their natural drafted positions. Ross at CHF is a prime example.
 
Truth be told we all thought we were a Hopper and Taranto away from winning a flag so while it may screw us for years i do think it was the right call. Issue is we needed to surround them with some speed. Our entire midfield apart from Shai when he gets in there are one paced. Lambert, Sheds even Dusty was explosive. We dont have any of that anymore.
 
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No. One bad year doesn’t mean it stays like this forever. We’ve just got to find a way to improve. They’re good players and part of the solution.
Yep,got to get games into young guys and retire Trent mid season,he's become a liability.
 
Backline as a unit were completely dysfunctional. On-field, Grimes is uninspiring as a Captain.
Wouldn’t know he had the gig apart from an asterisk next to his name.
The same dumb footballers blow 50’s like they’re Trump at an Epstein meetup. This has been an issue for years and Hardwick has done nothing to address it. It costs us a couple of goals a game. Given that we are the Kings of close losses this should be the first thing that is addressed in a skills challenged team.

Our footballers in fast motion can’t kick. No use playing chaos ball anymore if it slaughters momentum, which it does. Constantly. We can execute a fast handball though, about a third advantage the other team.

We are rubbish in the middle. The opposition midfield coach could take annual leave for the Richmond game. He doesn’t need to do anything. Richmond will make his job easy. I am sick of seeing opposing players waltz the ball out of the guts with ease and little pressure.

We have a couple of players that chase well. The rest are too slow, disinterested, or ping a hammy.

We take too many dumb options.

Final piece of my rant. Hardwick is lost. We have failed to adapt and he either can’t see it or his players have cashed out from the buy in. I am expecting Richmond to finish the season with a win loss deficit. We will bully a couple of spuds around us but we ain’t better than last year even with a full squad available.
 
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