GAME DAY Rd 13 - against the Pepper Power at the home of the G

[TigerMasochist]

Seriously ?????....they didnt have the heaters on in the Outer ? ... Cheap bastards !

Have you seen the Gas n Electricity prices for heating at the moment??? Gilligan n AFLHQ saving us from global warming by letting us freeze to death. Should have put a roof on the G last time they renovated it n fitted solar panels n batteries at the same time. Could then play under in door lighting n had the heater on as well, all cosy n toasty warm.

 

[craig]

MRP should suspend them both for dangerous high impact high contact causing injury.

Surprised they didn't try and pin it on Baker as being there and causing them to run into each other.

 

[jackfrost]

Have you seen the Gas n Electricity prices for heating at the moment??? Gilligan n AFLHQ saving us from global warming by letting us freeze to death. Should have put a roof on the G last time they renovated it n fitted solar panels n batteries at the same time. Could then play under in door lighting n had the heater on as well, all cosy n toasty warm.

All very points TM ....... if that happens I may well move into the G fulltime myself, anyone know if they allow "pets" ?

 

[The Big Richo]

You're barking up the wrong tree TBR. They were looking at the same footage as us, thats why they said "looking at this angle, we can see..."

Just confirmed by commentator in Bris v St Kilda game that we don't see what the ARC are looking at.

 

[jackfrost]

Just confirmed by commentator in Bris v St Kilda game that we don't see what the ARC are looking at.

Which bekons the question ....... "Why bother showing the viewing public any replays or angles at all" ?

The whole thing is a complete clusterfart and utter waste of time and just another reason fans are turning away from the game.

 

[tigersnake]

Just confirmed by commentator in Bris v St Kilda game that we don't see what the ARC are looking at.

I've heard commentators say the opposite. Look we disagree, whatever, watch it again, the idea that the ARC is watching different footage makes no sense on many levels, at least in that particular case.

Putting that aside, a couple more annoying technical points, why does the ARC footage sometimes comprise of multiple angles on a split screen, and sometimes just one angle taking up the whole screen? The logical reply would be 'it depends on what is best for any given case' right? And I'm sure that would be the official line, but that is not what happens. Sometimes one screen one angle, sometimes split screen with multiple angles simultaneuously, sometimes they will sequence different angles one-by-one. As far as I can tell its random which one they use. Sometimes you think 'we need another angle' and they don't give it, sometimes you think 'why are they showing multiple angles when its obvious from the first one?' For me that is just indicative of the thing being poorly run.

Also, as I've said earlier, if they can't use snicko, just tell that, and why.

 

[seven]

Just confirmed by commentator in Bris v St Kilda game that we don't see what the ARC are looking at.

Yeah. There’s a secret camera hidden on the field?
ARC just covering their arse. We use to see what they see. But now it’s all covered up.
AFL got sick of everyone laughing at the ARC

 

[Sintiger]

I watched most of the replay yesterday.

One thing I did notice was although he didn't get a heap of the ball Gibcus got to enormous number of contests as a forward in the last quarter and was very heavily involved. On watching it again I think he is more of a natural forward than Balta in that he appears to be able to anticipate where the ball is going so he gets involved more.

On the flipside of that Balta appeared much more comfortable when switched back

 

[tigersnake]

I watched most of the replay yesterday.

One thing I did notice was although he didn't get a heap of the ball Gibcus got to enormous number of contests as a forward in the last quarter and was very heavily involved. On watching it again I think he is more of a natural forward than Balta in that he appears to be able to anticipate where the ball is going so he gets involved more.

On the flipside of that Balta appeared much more comfortable when switched back

Early days of course, especially for JG but also for Noah fwd, but agree.

 

[bigwow]

Just confirmed by commentator in Bris v St Kilda game that we don't see what the ARC are looking at.

Can't they put a camera on the goal umpires head? They do in the BBL.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Can't they put a camera on the goal umpires head? They do in the BBL.

They'd never get a decent picture. Far to much head wobblin going on.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I watched most of the replay yesterday.

One thing I did notice was although he didn't get a heap of the ball Gibcus got to enormous number of contests as a forward in the last quarter and was very heavily involved. On watching it again I think he is more of a natural forward than Balta in that he appears to be able to anticipate where the ball is going so he gets involved more.

On the flipside of that Balta appeared much more comfortable when switched back

I think the unfortunate reality for Balta at this stage is that he is a much more capable backman right now than Gibcus.

To me, Gibcus seems the most natural defender I've seen step into a Richmond side. But he just doesn't, as an 18 yo, have the physicality to match it one on one with the big boys yet. Marshall really exposed him.

Balta does. Which is a shame. I think 12 months of Balta at full forward would net us a genuine champion forward. But we need him back.

I would also keep Gibcus back. We are going to need him there in the next few years. But if he gets to swing forward during a game, and do so without the accountability of a starting match up, it could be a weapon.

A super impressive, underrated, sign from Gibcus already is that he's an endurance beast.

He's covering huge amounts of ground routinely. At speed. Perfect for a swingman.

 

[bigwow]

They'd never get a decent picture. Far to much head wobblin going on.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't put one on Ray Chamberlain's head for this very reason.

 

[mrposhman]

Surprised they didn't try and pin it on Baker as being there and causing them to run into each other.

Agree it was a very dangerous dance move by the Bakes to skip away from them and expose their heads. 10 week suspension.

Christian is having it ratified by Gill. Gill wanted 14 weeks but Christian thought that was a touch too many.

 

[The Big Richo]

I've heard commentators say the opposite. Look we disagree, whatever, watch it again, the idea that the ARC is watching different footage makes no sense on many levels, at least in that particular case.

Putting that aside, a couple more annoying technical points, why does the ARC footage sometimes comprise of multiple angles on a split screen, and sometimes just one angle taking up the whole screen? The logical reply would be 'it depends on what is best for any given case' right? And I'm sure that would be the official line, but that is not what happens. Sometimes one screen one angle, sometimes split screen with multiple angles simultaneuously, sometimes they will sequence different angles one-by-one. As far as I can tell its random which one they use. Sometimes you think 'we need another angle' and they don't give it, sometimes you think 'why are they showing multiple angles when its obvious from the first one?' For me that is just indicative of the thing being poorly run.

The Brisbane one was exactly as happened the other night. The ARC dude is in the middle of saying from this angle.....when all of a sudden we see an angle we hadn't seen in the entire deliberation time. The Hamish McLachlan confirmed he was looking at a different angle the whole time but you would have sworn he was talking about the one we were looking at.

What you are describing there is the channel 7 feed. They are the ones who put the shots in split screen in that wall format, it doesn't look like that in the ARC.

The ARC is a monitor with like a checkerboard effect on screen of all the camera feeds pointing at the ground. On a Friday night there are stacks of feeds and you can see every camera. For example one is just fixed on the boundary rider sitting there. Another is behind the goals, and so on and so on.

Then you can use the control to bring up to two cameras up on the screen and use it like Kayo where you can go forward and back and change speed. You can never do that thing you see on channel 7 with the three or four pictures because that is their broadcast not the ARC feed although I should add you do have a second monitor with the channel 7 coverage on it.

I'm not saying we never look at the same vision because obviously sometimes the camera shots would be the same ones, just that the broadcast doesn't show the feed of what the ARC is doing at any one time, so it is always possible they are looking at a different camera angle.

ARC just covering their arse. We use to see what they see. But now it’s all covered up.

I don't think we have ever seen what the ARC is doing.

 

[mrposhman]

The Brisbane one was exactly as happened the other night. The ARC dude is in the middle of saying from this angle.....when all of a sudden we see an angle we hadn't seen in the entire deliberation time. The Hamish McLachlan confirmed he was looking at a different angle the whole time but you would have sworn he was talking about the one we were looking at.

What you are describing there is the channel 7 feed. They are the ones who put the shots in split screen in that wall format, it doesn't look like that in the ARC.

The ARC is a monitor with like a checkerboard effect on screen of all the camera feeds pointing at the ground. On a Friday night there are stacks of feeds and you can see every camera. For example one is just fixed on the boundary rider sitting there. Another is behind the goals, and so on and so on.

Then you can use the control to bring up to two cameras up on the screen and use it like Kayo where you can go forward and back and change speed. You can never do that thing you see on channel 7 with the three or four pictures because that is their broadcast not the ARC feed although I should add you do have a second monitor with the channel 7 coverage on it.

I'm not saying we never look at the same vision because obviously sometimes the camera shots would be the same ones, just that the broadcast doesn't show the feed of what the ARC is doing at any one time, so it is always possible they are looking at a different camera angle.



I don't think we have ever seen what the ARC is doing.

If thats all correct then thats fine, but the question remains then, why don't the AFL / Channel 7 provide the same footage that the ARC sees? In all other sports, supporters are shown the same images (ie. they are transparent). I don't think I have seen another sport that doesn't show the same images as it just comes across as shady and casts doubt on the system. Whether its the system, or the implementation of the system then something still needs to change. So as a number have said before, if they have the images that clearly shows a touch, SHOW THE PICTURES OF IT. Its seriously not hard.

Cricket they are transparent, they show every image that the 3rd umpire sees.
Soccer does the same
Tennis does the same and shows the hawkeye images in real time
Athletics / cycling the same with photo finishes at the finishing line.

So the real question is, if the AFL have the images, why are they being so shady with them???

 

[The Big Richo]

So the real question is, if the AFL have the images, why are they being so shady with them???

I think it's a matter of speed. Like in cricket the third umpire talks to the director but it is very slow and stops the game.

It is much quicker for the operator to grab angles and flick through them but it is messy and wouldn't be a good look on TV.

And the question actually should be why don't the broadcasters show the relevant vision but I guess they are sorting through it at the same speed as the ARC, but you would think 7 should show the goal line vision faster in an incident like last night. Maybe it is just poor direction thinking they have the right shot and not checking others.

 

[mrposhman]

I think it's a matter of speed. Like in cricket the third umpire talks to the director but it is very slow and stops the game.

It is much quicker for the operator to grab angles and flick through them but it is messy and wouldn't be a good look on TV.

We don't need to see every angle. When they are communicating back with the onfield umpire, all they need to do is provide a signal from the ARC to the TV images to show a specific image, they show that image on the TV whilst the decision is being passed back to the onfield umpire to signal the goal / behind.

Instead they show the images of the decision incoming (with no actual images of the footy) to show what the decision is. If it takes an extra second to provide the images that provide validity around the system, and trust from the public in the system, then I don't understand why they won't show that specific image. We don't necessarily need to see all the process they run through, but show us the specific images that show "clearly" the decision that has been made. The amount of times the ARC says they see clearly, but we see such rough grainy images is what angers the public.

Maybe they should show no images whilst the ARC is doing their thing, and they provide the trigger top the specific image used, and that is shown at the time of the decision coming up.

There has to be a better way to allow the public to trust the system as at the minute they don't and believe it to be a toss of a coin what sort of outcome you get.

 

[tigersnake]

The Brisbane one was exactly as happened the other night. The ARC dude is in the middle of saying from this angle.....when all of a sudden we see an angle we hadn't seen in the entire deliberation time. The Hamish McLachlan confirmed he was looking at a different angle the whole time but you would have sworn he was talking about the one we were looking at.

If it happened as you describe, its not like the one in our game. I didn't see it so can't comment. Did you watch the baker one again?

 

[TrialByVideo]

One has to wonder...... how much does Eddie's company get paid to run the ARC?

My second point is, are they subject to any type of rigorous evaluation, or does Brad Scott just swing by after each round with his AFL issued AMEX Centurion Card and Ed pulls out the terminal and says.... tap on here Scotty!...?