Expected scores tells the real story comfortable win to the tigers we didn't play as bad as made Out
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GAME DAY R19 Tiges V Hawks
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Yeah, hawks dominated the second and third terms, first quarter was largely even and we dominated the last. But Hawthorn, like England, were moral victors.
Hawthorn couldn’t miss. It was ridiculous.
We missed some sitters but also hit some bombs from outside 50.
reckon most of us would have been happy with a 35 pt win, have to fix the goalkicking accuracy woes
I think the message is not about our poor goal kicking but more that hawthorn couldn’t miss. We pretty much went to expectations kicking some low percentage ones (Taranto bolton from outside 50) and missing some gimmes (Cotchin, the Cotchin/miller thing, Riewoldt, Bolton )
Expected scores is a very rational way to look at outcomes.
I think within it you need to improve your perennial underperformers vs expectations as it means your expectation is actually lower - Bolton for us would have to be and say McKay for the blues. Short the other way more recently and probably Tarranto.
good points there RE, we all tend to get so emotional on game day, but chilling out and removing emotion, i reckon we played reasonably well and have some things trending that will give us a chance to beat MFC. The anti RFC mob - Dusty celebrates with teammates, Petracca celebrates by mocking the opposition
Can't believe this game was 20 years ago. We were 51 points down with 5 mins to go before 1/2 time and we then kicked 14 unanswered goals. (Thanks Staff 
). I was standing behind the goals at PRE and when Cogs (would have been a Tiger great if his body held up) kicked his 3rd to bring us within 3 points, the crowd went nuts.
Kind of miss those days when we were sh!te, but would have the odd big win to keep you coming back. Personally having the big No. 12 in the team always kept me coming back.
). I was standing behind the goals at PRE and when Cogs (would have been a Tiger great if his body held up) kicked his 3rd to bring us within 3 points, the crowd went nuts.Kind of miss those days when we were sh!te, but would have the odd big win to keep you coming back. Personally having the big No. 12 in the team always kept me coming back.
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Fantastic Nico. I was at Kardinia Park when Cogs had his breakout - the only good thing about the day from memory. Such a pity to lose him when we had so many good players. He could have made a big difference.Can't believe this game was 20 years ago. We were 51 points down with 5 mins to go before 1/2 time and we then kicked 14 unanswered goals. (Thanks Staff
Kind of miss those days when we were sh!te, but would have the odd big win to keep you coming back. Personally having the big No. 12 in the team always kept me coming back.
I guess having a bunch of lairs in the team didn't help but it was fun when they were on.
CHAMPION DATA REVEALS THE TWO STARS AT THE CENTRE OF RICHMOND’S RECENT SLOW STARTS
Seb Mottram
SEN
26 July 2023
Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne says the stats point to Tim Taranto and Dustin Martin being at the heart of Richmond’s slow starts in recent weeks.
Andrew McQualter’s tenure in charge of the Tigers has been a successful one to date, but poor first quarters have constantly forced his side on the back foot.
The Tigers have won six from eight matches under McQualter but have lost the first term on four occasions, including three of the last four, and also conceded the first four goals to St Kilda in Round 14.
Investigating the issue further, Hoyne had some stark numbers to share.
“The interesting component for me with Richmond is that I think their slow starts over the last five or six weeks would be concerning McQualter,” he began on SEN’s Sportsday.
“How long can you get away with these slow starts? In the first 20 minutes of matches over the last six weeks, they’re -77 points on the scoreboard. Only Freo, North and West Coast are starting slower than what Richmond are.
“They work their way back into the game… I just wonder over the next couple of weeks, if you give Melbourne a slow start on Sunday, are you going to be able to peg them back like you’re able to peg back St Kilda, like you’re able to peg back Hawthorn?”
Hoyne continued: “It got me thinking… who are the slow starters for Richmond? When I actually dived into this, this is actually interesting.
“Tim Taranto is actually one of the slowest starters in the competition over the last six weeks in terms of his player ratings in first quarters.
“The interesting one as well in 'Dusty' (Dustin Martin). Over the last six weeks, he’s the eighth highest rated player in the competition, but in first quarters he’s 291st.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/07...stars-at-the-centre-of-richmonds-recent-slow/
Seb Mottram
SEN
26 July 2023
Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne says the stats point to Tim Taranto and Dustin Martin being at the heart of Richmond’s slow starts in recent weeks.
Andrew McQualter’s tenure in charge of the Tigers has been a successful one to date, but poor first quarters have constantly forced his side on the back foot.
The Tigers have won six from eight matches under McQualter but have lost the first term on four occasions, including three of the last four, and also conceded the first four goals to St Kilda in Round 14.
Investigating the issue further, Hoyne had some stark numbers to share.
“The interesting component for me with Richmond is that I think their slow starts over the last five or six weeks would be concerning McQualter,” he began on SEN’s Sportsday.
“How long can you get away with these slow starts? In the first 20 minutes of matches over the last six weeks, they’re -77 points on the scoreboard. Only Freo, North and West Coast are starting slower than what Richmond are.
“They work their way back into the game… I just wonder over the next couple of weeks, if you give Melbourne a slow start on Sunday, are you going to be able to peg them back like you’re able to peg back St Kilda, like you’re able to peg back Hawthorn?”
Hoyne continued: “It got me thinking… who are the slow starters for Richmond? When I actually dived into this, this is actually interesting.
“Tim Taranto is actually one of the slowest starters in the competition over the last six weeks in terms of his player ratings in first quarters.
“The interesting one as well in 'Dusty' (Dustin Martin). Over the last six weeks, he’s the eighth highest rated player in the competition, but in first quarters he’s 291st.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/07...stars-at-the-centre-of-richmonds-recent-slow/
The sunny MCG is what I miss nowadays.Can't believe this game was 20 years ago. We were 51 points down with 5 mins to go before 1/2 time and we then kicked 14 unanswered goals. (Thanks Staff
Kind of miss those days when we were sh!te, but would have the odd big win to keep you coming back. Personally having the big No. 12 in the team always kept me coming back.
I will never forget that big Hawks supporter sitting behind the goals at the PRE turning around and giving it to all our supporters in the first half. Fair to say he copped a fair whack in the second half. One of my best days at the footy ever.Can't believe this game was 20 years ago. We were 51 points down with 5 mins to go before 1/2 time and we then kicked 14 unanswered goals. (Thanks Staff
Kind of miss those days when we were sh!te, but would have the odd big win to keep you coming back. Personally having the big No. 12 in the team always kept me coming back.
Poor old Timmy T , 20 plus touches , 3 goals and that only gets him a vote nowadays
The old early crow...often comes back and bites you. Yep, one of my favourite H&A games along with the Mother's Day Massacre when Hogg kicked 10.
