Franklin

[the golden]

well done on Jack getting 8 too by the way and beating saints wahooooo

 

[23.21.159]

I don't watch (m)any non-Richmond games so yesterday was only the second time I had seen Franklin this year. His set-shot technique is staggering. I am surprised he ever gets one. With that "arc" to the left, and then his attempt to counter by swinging it right, just makes it impossible, particularly when kicking from the left flank.

 

[Tigers of Old]

With that "arc" to the left, and then his attempt to counter by swinging it right, just makes it impossible, particularly when kicking from the left flank.

Yeah he learned little from the Adelaide prelim and still shanked it to the right from a near identical spot. Would have been very frustrating for Clarko.

 

[zippadeee]

3.4 & 1 out on the full, (not including the short pass to Gunston, when he was 45 out) good enough in an home & away game, but not in a GF.
his sets shots are too much hit & miss.

 

[Tigermad2005]

Cost them the game.

He is there Richo with less class.

 

[achillesjones]

total dud ....don't know how he ever gets a game :

 

[SAF]

I counted at least 10 goal scoring opportunities for Buddy, to only convert 3 is very poor and clearly cost the Hawks a flag.

I know for a fact the Hawks have been trying to get him to work on improving his goal kicking but he has failed to show up for the sessions. The man's ego has no bounds, which is exactly why so many clubs didn't want to take him in the draft.

Add to that the fact Hawks played their best footy while Buddy had his hamstring injury this year & I can't understand why the media continue to laud him as the greatest player of all time with many rating his game yesterday as one of the best players for the Hawks.

His best is fantastic but gee people are forgiving of his mistakes & flaws. He could've won his team a flag yesterday but failed to deliver.

 

[spook]

The Richo comparisons last as far as they're both super-athletic big men with dodgy goal kicking. Richo was one of the best marks of a footy you'll ever see, Franklin is hopeless. But at ground-level, Buddy has it all over Richo.

 

[23.21.159]

I counted at least 10 goal scoring opportunities for Buddy, to only convert 3 is very poor and clearly cost the Hawks a flag.

I know for a fact the Hawks have been trying to get him to work on improving his goal kicking but he has failed to show up for the sessions. The man's ego has no bounds, which is exactly why so many clubs didn't want to take him in the draft.

Add to that the fact Hawks played their best footy while Buddy had his hamstring injury this year & I can't understand why the media continue to laud him as the greatest player of all time with many rating his game yesterday as one of the best players for the Hawks.

His best is fantastic but gee people are forgiving of his mistakes & flaws. He could've won his team a flag yesterday but failed to deliver.

Those comments are interesting also when you consider that when we beat them by over ten goals, he kicked one and that was in junk time.

 

[zippadeee]

Did anyone notice that before the game that hawthorn was described as the "most successful team in the last 50 years"?
Pity it took them a 31 years to win there 1st flag

 

[Rosy]

The Richo comparisons last as far as they're both super-athletic big men with dodgy goal kicking. Richo was one of the best marks of a footy you'll ever see, Franklin is hopeless. But at ground-level, Buddy has it all over Richo.

Was saying the same thing to my son. Both flawed geniuses capable of anything. Another similarity with Richo and Lance is their ability to stuff up the easiest set shots yet slot amazing shots from the pocket 50 metres out. Great when playing on instinct but make fans nervous when there's too much thinking time.

A bit of perspective about Lance though. Yep his misses were extremely costly but he's also a large reason the Hawks were so close. He worked very hard. 24 possessions, 13 contested. 6 tackles. 8 marks, 4 contested. 15 pressure acts. 2 score assists and 11 score involvements. It's a team game and Lance contributed more than many of his mates.

He is far from a perfect player but it seems to me it's the media and the opposition supporters who have those lofty expectations. Someone on here even indicated he'd done nothing in the game.

I'm sure most Tiger people would love to have had him at Tigerland. I like to watch him play.

 

[spook]

Agree Rosy, he's a superstar anyone would want in their side. And apart from his finishing he played a very good game. But he's paid to kick goals.

 

[TuesdayswithTerry]

Wil be interesting to see if Hawks consider Buddy on the wing a la Richo.

Not sure if he has the tank that Richo did but if he does he would be unstoppable.

 

[Rosy]

Agree Rosy, he's a superstar anyone would want in their side. And apart from his finishing he played a very good game. But he's paid to kick goals.

Yep but if he kicked 2 goals he gave away, thus making his personal conversion rate look better, the result still have been the same for the team.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Wil be interesting to see if Hawks consider Buddy on the wing a la Richo.

Not sure if he has the tank that Richo did but if he does he would be unstoppable.

He's been used in the mid plenty of times to switch things around, Lance and Cyril were both seen down the back trying to influence the game in the last qtr.

 

[spook]

Yep but if he kicked 2 goals he gave away, thus making his personal conversion rate look better, the result still have been the same for the team.

It's not the goals he gives away, it's the ones he misses.

 

[IanG]

A bit of perspective about Lance though. Yep his misses were extremely costly but he's also a large reason the Hawks were so close. He worked very hard. 24 possessions, 13 contested. 6 tackles. 8 marks, 4 contested. 15 pressure acts. 2 score assists and 11 score involvements. It's a team game and Lance contributed more than many of his mates.

Yep I'd go so far as to say he was the major reason they got back into the game.

 

[Rosy]

It's not the goals he gives away, it's the ones he misses.

Yeah I agree scoop but doubt the misses are very costly. My point was had Lance not given 2 away and instead kicked them himself he'd be 5.4 and I doubt people would be as critical. Either way same result to the side. Players should be rated on their overall contribution rather than just goals..and yet again I'm not disputing the misses were costly. You could see as he went to kick that he was going to hook them. Very poor skill/technique on the day. I reckon there were players who had far less a contribution than Lance did yet he gets singled out as though he single handledly cost the granny.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I counted at least 10 goal scoring opportunities for Buddy, to only convert 3 is very poor and clearly cost the Hawks a flag.

I know for a fact the Hawks have been trying to get him to work on improving his goal kicking but he has failed to show up for the sessions.

The set shot kicking is where his biggest problems lie no doubt. Absolutely appalling technique that if corrected to improve his conversion rates could see him stamped legitimately as one of the greatest ever.

Roughead & Cyril were far more disappointing, no doubt. Especially Cyril who I have talked up of late. Old schoolmate Smith schooled him. Jetta was the X factor star on the big stage.

 

[acatman]

Buddy is exciting to watch, and has a huge kick on him, along with the "look at me factor" he draws fans and the media to him. Those sort of players (imho) are both match winners... AND match "losers". Of course every AFL team would want Buddy. What perhaps is the most frustrating, is has he improved in the past 3 years?, be that kicking accuracy or teaching himself to say kick right foot? I would suspect not. Therefore for me he goes down as a very good player, when if he worked that little bit harder he could move to a great player.