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Franklin
- Thread starter Ghost of Punt Road
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I expect Franklin to monster the North backline this week. My SC team demands it.
Also, since Richo has been mentioned in this thread. Can someone please get him married and producing sons ASAP ?
Also, since Richo has been mentioned in this thread. Can someone please get him married and producing sons ASAP ?
mexican_radio said:
Can I suggest Richo speak to Houli about converting religion? 4 wives, 4 times the production of sons?
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
This is the sort of stuff I find very frustrating, of course he has kicked more goals than Richo at the same age - Buddy has had about 400% more scoring opportunities than Richo did.
Buddy has played most of his career in a top team where he has had top quaility delivery to him and plenty of opportunities to score plus a good partner in Roughead to give him a chop out and take some pressure off him. Richo played all of his career in a bottom team where he had no help (apart from a couple of years with Ottens), was starved of opportunities and had terrrible horrible pathletic delivery to him from the midfield - a massive difference to Buddy.
Richo was a better contested mark, had a better leap, a bigger tank and was more consistent - yet somehow Buddy is the number player of his day and Richo was a underachieving dud that no one rated as an elite player until the very end of his career. If Richo had played in a top team that won flags, he would have been remembered in the same class as Carey, Brereton and Hart. At this stage of his career Buddy is nowhere near these guys, his game of the weekend was worse than anything these 3 greats would have served up on the very worst day of their careers.
The greatest players play their best when their team is down and find a way to lift their team over the line for a win, Buddy plays well when his team is playing well and then serves up pathletic efforts like on Saturday when his team is getting beaten - a front runner.
Franklin has 151 games for 472 goals at 3.12 a game, age 25 years 117 daysSAF said:
At the same age Richo had 387 goals but he had only played 122 games at 3.17 a game.
It's not all about raw stats of course.
Richo and Buddy actually are different players but they have a lot in common in that they are brilliant match winning players who are unreliable kicks at goal and somewhat enigmatic. Buddy is a great player and so was Richo.
Over-rated showpony - just like his team. Always felt this way, and more so after last week.
Wayne Carey had a massive presence, so too did Gary Ablett snr, as did Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall, et all. Lance Franklin also has a massive presence, the only difference for all that is Franklin does not hurt teams - the others killed teams!
Pinched a flag in '08 and done 3 parts of FA since. Had a dream draw in 2011 with 14 games aginst the non-finalists (with 8 games against the bottom 5) which inflated their true standing. By seasons end everyone will agree with me that the Hawks are over-rated and just a middle of the road team.
Wayne Carey had a massive presence, so too did Gary Ablett snr, as did Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall, et all. Lance Franklin also has a massive presence, the only difference for all that is Franklin does not hurt teams - the others killed teams!
Pinched a flag in '08 and done 3 parts of FA since. Had a dream draw in 2011 with 14 games aginst the non-finalists (with 8 games against the bottom 5) which inflated their true standing. By seasons end everyone will agree with me that the Hawks are over-rated and just a middle of the road team.
Jeez I think a few here are indulging in opportunistic re-writings of Franklin's career.
After 151 games: Richo 460 goals & 66 Brownlow votes, Franklin 472 goals and 65 Brownlow votes
After 72 MCG games: Richo 249 goals, Franklin 251 goals
Franklin's worst is not as bad as early Richo. Richo obviously much stronger overhead but Franklin has more all-round polish. Yes Franklin has more quality ball coming into the forward line, but goals are harder to come by nowadays.
We all love Richo but how anyone could seriously claim 'Richo good, Buddy bad' is beyond me. I would say that, at the least, Franklin has been as good as Richo to this point of his career.
After 151 games: Richo 460 goals & 66 Brownlow votes, Franklin 472 goals and 65 Brownlow votes
After 72 MCG games: Richo 249 goals, Franklin 251 goals
Franklin's worst is not as bad as early Richo. Richo obviously much stronger overhead but Franklin has more all-round polish. Yes Franklin has more quality ball coming into the forward line, but goals are harder to come by nowadays.
We all love Richo but how anyone could seriously claim 'Richo good, Buddy bad' is beyond me. I would say that, at the least, Franklin has been as good as Richo to this point of his career.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
How many times did we see Richo make 4 or 5 leads with the ball coming forward, only to have his 6th lead honoured with the ball kicked over his head?!
Given decent supply Richo's stats would dwarf Buddy. I'm biased, but Buddy's not qualified to carry Richo's bags into the ground, in my biased opinion.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I love Richo and am not claiming Richo good Buddy bad, but what really irritates me, and I assume a fair few posters here is, Richo kept getting ridiculed for the things that Franklin is doing at the moment, whereas Franklin isn't getting the same ridicule
Both great players, Richo better for me, biased of course. Richo surrounded by ineptitude, Buddy in a good side.
Speaking of stats, in today's paper I found the number of free kicks Buddy's given away the last 4 years quite staggering.
They're quite different players really. Main comparison is that both are flawed champions.
TigerForce said:
They're quite different players really. Main comparison is that both are flawed champions.
IMO Richo cared more, that's why he did 6 leads and when the ball went over his head he spat the chewy. Richo had bad body language at times but you could never say he didn't try.
The 06 holocaust at the Dump v the Cats, I still remember he and Foley being the only ones running their guts out and still trying despite the ridicule.
Lance is a very good player when up but I would not say he is as passionate as Richo was.
The 06 holocaust at the Dump v the Cats, I still remember he and Foley being the only ones running their guts out and still trying despite the ridicule.
Lance is a very good player when up but I would not say he is as passionate as Richo was.
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tiger12 said:
Richo did not lead well. Too early and too long. Often by the time the ball carrier was ready to kick Richo was 15m away approaching at mach 3 with Krak loping along in arrears trying to get front and square.
TigerForce said:
Just to support your argument, at the same time in their careers Richo had taken 1115 marks to Buddy 798.
While they are not contested marks stats, i'd be surprised if anyone has taken more contested marks than Richo in the history of the VFL/AFL
Bill James said:
or crashing into Schulz. >
Forward line structures didn't really matter to the great man in the Richo era. He ran around like a puppy off the chain most of the time.
Nor did tackling, shepherding etc. Generally it was all about the mark and he was a damn good one at that.
Our forward line though was a basket case in those days and he was a part of the reason it was whether people care to believe it or not. It was all about the 'cho.
Great player but I'm preferring the spread we have now to that over his career.
tigerman said:
Any player who showed true effort is a good player in my books, and Richo showed a lot of it, especially in contested marks.
