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Franklin
- Thread starter Ghost of Punt Road
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I'd have Jack over buddy any day.
Jacks a player you can build a team around, cause he actually takes the high percentage often, and his team mates know what he's going to do.
Franklins advantage though, is that the opposition also has no idea what he's going to do. Even though if you had a defender who was able to stay goal side of him all day, he would only ever kick three goals.
Wouldn't mind having both though.
Jacks a player you can build a team around, cause he actually takes the high percentage often, and his team mates know what he's going to do.
Franklins advantage though, is that the opposition also has no idea what he's going to do. Even though if you had a defender who was able to stay goal side of him all day, he would only ever kick three goals.
Wouldn't mind having both though.
IMO Franklin is a flawed genius and I totally understand the comparisons with Richo. FWIW I reckon Lance will end up the better player.
There are two main characteristics of Richo's and Lance's game that are worth comparing. But let's look at the contrasts first.
If you kicked the footy to each of Richo and Buddy in their prime Richo would simply mark it. End of contest.
But in the real hurly bury of a game the ball comes to ground. And when it falls Franklin is the best tall I've ever seen except perhaps Gary Ablett sr.
Here's where Richo and Lance are very alike - they are very busy. In everything. If you stream out of the centre with the ball whichever is before you will be on the lead. Lance more likely to lead, Richo more likely to crash the man in front.
Busy players who command the ball. Leaving aside the matter of different eras, Richo will take more big grabs and Lance is more likely to chase and fell a dancing back.
But IMO the shared weakness of Richo and Franklin is that they did not lay the ball off timely and quickly.
Unpredictability is key for a commanding forward. So lay it off. Get team mates busy around you. Take it and use it quickly by hand. Then take the game on in clutch moments. Time your moment.
They miss too many shots at times but that doesn't matter if your team mates are taking them.
One career is over. The other is blooming. If Buddy can learn to lay the ball off at the right moment Hawthorn can win a premiership.
There are two main characteristics of Richo's and Lance's game that are worth comparing. But let's look at the contrasts first.
If you kicked the footy to each of Richo and Buddy in their prime Richo would simply mark it. End of contest.
But in the real hurly bury of a game the ball comes to ground. And when it falls Franklin is the best tall I've ever seen except perhaps Gary Ablett sr.
Here's where Richo and Lance are very alike - they are very busy. In everything. If you stream out of the centre with the ball whichever is before you will be on the lead. Lance more likely to lead, Richo more likely to crash the man in front.
Busy players who command the ball. Leaving aside the matter of different eras, Richo will take more big grabs and Lance is more likely to chase and fell a dancing back.
But IMO the shared weakness of Richo and Franklin is that they did not lay the ball off timely and quickly.
Unpredictability is key for a commanding forward. So lay it off. Get team mates busy around you. Take it and use it quickly by hand. Then take the game on in clutch moments. Time your moment.
They miss too many shots at times but that doesn't matter if your team mates are taking them.
One career is over. The other is blooming. If Buddy can learn to lay the ball off at the right moment Hawthorn can win a premiership.
Dyer'ere said:
If that happens, it will only be because Buddy played in better teams IMO.
At the moment, I cannot think of one aspect of the game in which Buddy is demonstrably better than Richo by comparison. Maybe kicking clutch goals?
I do not agree that Franklin is the better player when the ball is on the ground. I'd say pretty even myself.
But Richo has it all over Buddy in marking, general field kicking, endurance and defensively.
Streak said:
Buddy is a freak for his size when the ball hits the deck. No one his size comes near him IMO. Richo a star in the air and clearly superior but buddy the same for ground balls.
Dyer'ere said:
Very good analysis Jack. For mine, its the ability to bring others into the game that makes you a great player (with the exception of G Ablett snr) who was great nevertheless but could have claimed the mantle undisputed of best player of all time had he been more team oriented.
I've always thought Franklin was a faster taller stronger Steven Milne. Many took that as a criticism but if you look at Milne's career over all, I dont think its a crticism at all. Milney is a better contested mark though.
I like Dyer'eres analysis too, but I reckon Richo's ability at ground level is understated. Richo was brilliant for his size, amazing, looked a little ungainly at times, but incredibly effective, but the old cliche that we was a winger trapped in a CHF's body was true. (as evidenced by him becoming the worlds tallest winger at the end of his career) Buddy is better though, and poetry to watch, no ungainlyness there. Richo was brilliant when the ball hit the ground for a big man, Buddy is freakish, probably the best ever.
Add a smidgeon of smarts to Richo, and some improved marking ability to Buddy and you've got the 2 best ever. But thats the beauty of footy, no player is perfect.
As for Scoops post, I reckon Buddy will get better at contested grabs as he gets older and bigger. His game will change a bit. Look at Goodes body now compared to 7-10 years ago. Buddy is gunna be a monster.
Add a smidgeon of smarts to Richo, and some improved marking ability to Buddy and you've got the 2 best ever. But thats the beauty of footy, no player is perfect.
As for Scoops post, I reckon Buddy will get better at contested grabs as he gets older and bigger. His game will change a bit. Look at Goodes body now compared to 7-10 years ago. Buddy is gunna be a monster.
lamb22 said:
Agree on the Milne call, Robert. Franklin is a dominant #3 forward in his way. Competes well in the air and wins at ground level.
FWIW I reckon Milne is borderline champion class. If I were to compare him to anybody in history it would be Phil Matera. Stars of the game at least.
Jukes Extended said:
Even if milney's not the best contested mark of all time, he'd still be better than franklin. He is a very average, possibly even poor contested mark. Brilliant speed, strength agility, Despite his wonky set shot kicking, still brilliant footskills, brilliant at getting goalside of his defenders, and reading the ball into dangerous positions. All of that is the highest quality imaginable. But contested marking is very very average. On a good defender, he will get almost all of his goals by beating them to the ball, and away from the contest.
He tends to just stick both hands in the air, and hope that the ball falls into him. Which, given his height and strength, it does quite a bit. But good defenders usually beat him in the air.
Coburgtiger said:
I agree with most of what you say except that Milne is a better contested mark than Buddy.
Franklin is an ordinary Contested mark no doubt about that, but Milne is one of the worst in the league only averaged 0.3 last year.
I know he's a midget but that's poor.....even push-up was better than that.
Ha, okay, fair point. Thought milney was better than that. Knew he was average, but just thought better.
