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Essendon = Entitlement

Spot on. Good post 8 Ball. Clearly, in his mind, the problem lies with community leaders and the media, not him or his church.
the word 'sanctimonious' springs to mind ...
 
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You just wouldn't read about this stuff in any best selling novel.

Putting to one side the drug stuff, we have:

- a coach who was made to coach the year out with a dagger over his head
- a president ousted by Barham with the covert promise of bringing Clarkson to the club
- Clarkson signs with the wooden spooner straight away
- we then appoint an independent panel to run a process for our next coach
- we get to the 2nd interview stage and Yze the clear favourutw and within 1 day of Brad Scott agreeing to enter the process, he is interviewed (once), panel recommends him and the Board sign off on it
- next day political powerbroker on the Board Sheedy publicly announces it wasn't a unanimous decision and that he voted for Hird (who orchestrated same drug stuff overlooked at the start of this post, but that's a different tangent)
- next week we finally announce a new CEO who, seemingly, has strong qualifications having acted as CEO for one of the country's biggest companies
- however, we soon hear that said CEO had departed that previous large company on the back of adverse governance findings from a royal commission and, since then, has taken up a role as chairman for a church group that has published views that are arguably substantially inconsistent with the values that are upheld by the AFL
- after one day, new CEO resigns having chosen to continue his role at his dodgy church rather than the challenge of turning around this rat *smile* of a club

Almost can't wait for the next edition to.play out!

I was only thinking the other day after Scott got appointed whether they are lower than RFC ever were throughout the mid to late 80s, 90s and early 00s. Today's happenings put that beyond any doubt!! Long let it continue
 
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How good is Barham, I mean, seriously.

I didn’t think anyone could take the heat off the Hawks and their racism report, but right on cue, in rides Barham on his black and red steed and knocks them right off the front page and into next year.

Jeff Kennet just loves Barham. And he is now on Gil’s Christmas card list as well.
 
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I’m (mostly) with TW here - there is a fair amount of hatred and vitriol against religious people. It shows how normalised it is that you cannot see it; you may call it “fair commentary”. Just on this page, we have:

“Them churches that get you singing, arms raised, eyes closed, swaying side to side. .... as they slip around the back and lift your wallet.”

“they [Essendon] look they are tipping into full Trump fake news whackyland.”



I think there’s a world of difference between his views on abortion and homosexuality. Having an abortion or not is a choice people make. You are entitled to try to persuade people not to make/support certain choices on moral/ethical/whatever grounds, whether that’s abortion, eating meat, investing in fossil fuels, etc etc. “Women’s bodily autonomy” is just one view among several. (Dusclaimer: I am anti-abortion, and female, with a science degree in a related area.)

Being homosexual is not a choice. You cannot argue against what people are. We’re on dangerous ground if we’re sacking people for holding certain views on moral issues, but we cannot accept denigrating people for just being who they are.

That church group that he's the chair of is against abortions even for cases of forced incest and rape.

Where's the "choice" there?
 
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I’m (mostly) with TW here - there is a fair amount of hatred and vitriol against religious people. It shows how normalised it is that you cannot see it; you may call it “fair commentary”. Just on this page, we have:

“Them churches that get you singing, arms raised, eyes closed, swaying side to side. .... as they slip around the back and lift your wallet.”

“they [Essendon] look they are tipping into full Trump fake news whackyland.”



I think there’s a world of difference between his views on abortion and homosexuality. Having an abortion or not is a choice people make. You are entitled to try to persuade people not to make/support certain choices on moral/ethical/whatever grounds, whether that’s abortion, eating meat, investing in fossil fuels, etc etc. “Women’s bodily autonomy” is just one view among several. (Dusclaimer: I am anti-abortion, and female, with a science degree in a related area.)

Being homosexual is not a choice. You cannot argue against what people are. We’re on dangerous ground if we’re sacking people for holding certain views on moral issues, but we cannot accept denigrating people for just being who they are.
By the way, kudos for being up front about your own views on this.

However, he wasn't sacked - Essendon realised that having someone with such extreme views as CEO cannot fly, and he knew his views would be a distraction. So he withdrew.

He claims he doesn't agree with some of the church's ideology on these issues, and yet he's the chair of the organisation - so an incredibly disingenuous position to take. If he doesn't agree with those positions he should resign as chair of that organisation. (Of course, he likely does support them, he just lied - IMO).

In the past corporations and senior execs have run business on one side and quietly used influence and profit to fund regressive and archaic social programs, or hold abhorrent and anti-democratic views while taking government subsidies like Gerry Norman, or funding gay conversion therapy like Coopers Brewers.

It's their right to do those things in a free society, but it's our right as citizens and consumers to know how our money is used and withdraw our patronage if we don't like those uses or attitudes.

And the same goes for companies that do political things I approve of - if you disapprove, don't buy the product.

As an aside, Essendon people kept saying Barham is an astute operator. I've seen no evidence of this so far.
 
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Benny Hill What GIF
 
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Looks like being 2 coach’s, 3 CEO’s, 4 board members and 2 Presidents all within about 8 weeks.

Impressive.
 
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The more amazing thing to me is that a man of his obvious intellect and capability would believe this crap and put it ahead of the real world.

Its the thing that always surprises me, smart capable people that consistently refute science. It's almost as if they have a blind spot in their critical thinking process.

A bit like those that can't see the umpires are biased against the tigers. The evidence is there, some just can't see it.
 
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1 day…… :rotfl2……….just 1 day………:rotfl2……..did he get paid for that day…………:rotfl2……….what a basket case of a club, reckon the president will be next to go and I can’t see him making it to the end of the week.
 
Mini series - no way!
Hopefully more like “The Sopranos” - six seasons of crime, illicit drugs, treachery, executions etc etc
I’m thinking more CSI, rolled into CSI Miami, CSI NY and CSI Cyber.

Think that’s about 30 seasons or so there.
 
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That church group that he's the chair of is against abortions even for cases of forced incest and rape.

Where's the "choice" there?
Sorry, I evidently wasn’t clear here. I was trying to distinguish between having an opinion against abortion and one against homosexuals. One is an act people don’t have to do (ie they can control), one is something people are and cannot control. By “choice”, I did not mean the general abortion debate “choice” position.
 
You just wouldn't read about this stuff in any best selling novel.

Putting to one side the drug stuff, we have:

- a coach who was made to coach the year out with a dagger over his head
- a president ousted by Barham with the covert promise of bringing Clarkson to the club
- Clarkson signs with the wooden spooner straight away
- we then appoint an independent panel to run a process for our next coach
- we get to the 2nd interview stage and Yze the clear favourutw and within 1 day of Brad Scott agreeing to enter the process, he is interviewed (once), panel recommends him and the Board sign off on it
- next day political powerbroker on the Board Sheedy publicly announces it wasn't a unanimous decision and that he voted for Hird (who orchestrated same drug stuff overlooked at the start of this post, but that's a different tangent)
- next week we finally announce a new CEO who, seemingly, has strong qualifications having acted as CEO for one of the country's biggest companies
- however, we soon hear that said CEO had departed that previous large company on the back of adverse governance findings from a royal commission and, since then, has taken up a role as chairman for a church group that has published views that are arguably substantially inconsistent with the values that are upheld by the AFL
- after one day, new CEO resigns having chosen to continue his role at his dodgy church rather than the challenge of turning around this rat *smile* of a club

Almost can't wait for the next edition to.play out!

I was only thinking the other day after Scott got appointed whether they are lower than RFC ever were throughout the mid to late 80s, 90s and early 00s. Today's happenings put that beyond any doubt!! Long let it continue
Sliding doors. I reckon the Tigers may have gone down a similar path if the focus on footy crew had got up.
 
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Barham reckons they have plenty of outstanding candidates to choose from. ... that being the case, I bet it won't come before every one of them is investigated within an inch of their lives!
They've sort of boxed themselves into a position now of having the squeakiest clean CEO to ever become CEO...!

Anyway, if you were in the running and had been overlooked. .... why would you accept it now?

Based on exposed form, I'm not sure Barham should be the one doing the picking.
 
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