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Eddie McGuire
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tigersnake said:
I'm certainly not the one making this more complicated. I'm just following out the "do's and dont's".
But I certainly agree with your point of treating people equally, treating people how you'd like to be treated or how you'd like people to treat your daughter/wife, mum ( or son, father, husband, uncle.....)
tigersnake said:
The red herring here is that this is about violence towards women. It's really about bullying. McGuire is a bully and his colleagues the mindless cowards who go along for fear he'll turn on them.
Robinson has got this 100% right. He's a buffoon and a Kool Aid drinker when it comes to the Dons, but you have to credit the man, everything he says regarding gender, violence, bullying, homophobia, is right on. He doesn't have much of a brain but I think his heart's in the right place.
Robinson has got this 100% right. He's a buffoon and a Kool Aid drinker when it comes to the Dons, but you have to credit the man, everything he says regarding gender, violence, bullying, homophobia, is right on. He doesn't have much of a brain but I think his heart's in the right place.
spook said:
Snap. Personally think they might have been able to shrug off the comments about putting her head under as a bit of bravado (though I thought Frawley came out of that exchange the worst) but when Eddie went on about her being a balck widow etc it showed that the initial comments were not in jest at all but were bullying. By the way, I'm not condoning the initial comments but in isolation whilst probably not PC they weren't that bad. I think Caroline Wilson was far more upset with the secondary nature of the comments which showed that the initial comments (despite what Eddie tried to paint them as) were not said in jest at all.
Eddies got plenty of form on this, and needs to pull his head in more. If the AFL had any balls they would be doing more to deal with Eddie but unfortunately Gill is Eddies lapdog.
spook said:
Just curious spook.
What of Wilson commenting nationally through papers etc. on footballers lifestyles for example and connecting them negatively to an article any chance she gets?
Is that a form of bullying or is that just 'reporting'?
spook said:
The implication is that Caro, as a woman, wouldn't be physically strong enough to resist. "We'll hold her under water if we want to, she won't be able to do anything about it. Hahahahaha."
If he'd said it about e.g. Robbo, it's a different context. I'd probably back Robbo against Eddie in a cage fight.
Give me a specific example with a quote and I'll give you my opinion. Regardless, it doesn't alter what McGuire and co did.Tigers of Old said:
Would you back Robbo against Eddie, Brayshaw, Frawley and Carey? It's bullying. The fact it was against a woman just made it even more gutless.LeeToRainesToRoach said:
spook said:
Robbo can challenge McGuire to a water wrestle, with the loser to donate $xK to charity. Caro has no comeback except to say she's offended. Call her a poisonous witch or whatever and it's a fair fight, but saying you'd like to hold her under water isn't like for like.
Sorry to be butting in here but i think that it is a good question. Wilson's reporting is not bullying. It is not harrassment either. She does not hide behind others, nor does she use an attempt at humour to disguise her comment. She picks topics others shy away from and remains on topic rather than showing bias. We might not agree with her but that does not make it bullying. I would think that over the course of time she has proven she is not a coward like others whom we are discussing now. She is dogged in her approach which i find refreshing, just think how much James Hird would have got away with had Caroline backed down and let that be. I for one am very glad to have a strong womans view in the media because without it footy commentary would be very beige.Tigers of Old said:
mrposhman said:
McGuire may have "form", but I'd like to find out how many others he has made similar comments about to see if there is actually any specific targeting of Wilson because she happens to be female. If McGuire has made comments along similar lines about males then this whole saga is just about someone who happens to be a big-mouthed buffoon who made some comments hardly anyone heard or took notice of at the time, not someone who is now tagged in the media as wanting to "Murder" Wilson (which I just heard an ABC reporter say).
The reaction to these stupid comments have now been blown so far out of proportion to their actual original impact that I am wondering if the current Language Puritans are about to call for a jail sentence for anyone who dares break the rules that they have created.
David C said:
I'd be surprised if Eddie has said similar about a man seeing there don't appear to be any examples among the Eddie's Gaffes examples that are all over the place. If he had made them against a man in a similar scenario they'd still be unacceptable imo. Just not funny.
I'm not sure what language puritans has to do with it. Eddie's language was ok...the underlying tone of bullying wasn't.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
That doesn't capture the like to like too well. Eddie didn't challenge Caro to anything involving him. He suggested a one woman show and holding her head under. No money going to the winner or loser to donate. Caro's only comeback wouldn't be to say she's offended in the above scenario. If asked in a genuine fashion and without the drowning gags she might have been up for something. She could accept or counter challenge or decline. She wasn't put in a position of accepting a challenge. It was a very poor attempt at humour with obvious bitter undertones. It doesn't reflect well on Eddie McGuire as a person to me. Very poor form.
rosy23 said:
There are at least two ways that people can be protected from "Bullying", the first is to try and suppress anything that might be perceived as bullying so those that may be targets never experience it - such things are very hard to achieve in the real world and all that really happens is that you end up with a lot of weak people without any skills to cope with it if it happens.
The second way is to give people the skills to stand up to bullies and respond in proportion because that tends to firstly give the bully something to think about as well as empowering the individual to cope with any future situation.
The massive over-reaction to McGuires comments can now actually be construed as "Bullying" against him because they are now so far out of proportion to his original sin, this is what happens when a mob basically decides to use their power to crush someone and is quite ironic in this whole situation.
David C said:
Piffle. People are responding to Eddie's actual behaviour and comments towards another person on public radio. Nobody has suggested, while possibly guffawing at their egotistical and arrogant wit at the expense of another, that he should be held under water. How is it an over-reaction? Everyone is entitled to an opinion. In my ideal world Eddie's comments would be unacceptable and the more that disagree with them the better. Of course it's your prerogative to disagree. I find it sad if people think there's a place for such bullying behaviour towards others. What are the positives of it?
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