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Dustin Martin

mjb said:
Think a few people are down the wrong track expecting to trade with North. Dusty's situation is totally different to Danger's. Danger "wanted" to go to Geelong, Dusty doesn't "want" to go to North, he "wants" to be paid well. If push comes to shove and he holds out for the North money then we have two options. First, we match North and he stays. Second, we don't match North and he leaves. I don't see a third (Danger) option where we match and he still wants to leave.
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The third option we privately and quietly inform North Melbourne that we will (probably) match any offer they make. If they really want their man they will then be forced to the trade table or be forced to offer an even more insane amount in the hope of calling our bluff (with all the dire consequences that will have for their salary cap). If they back off it would expose them as weak and untrustworthy, something that would haunt them in any future attempts at luring big fish.

Whether that has happened or would work now if they did I have no idea. All I know is that Martin is too valuable to lose for Franklinesque compensation. I'd even dangle the lure of partially paying his salary to get other clubs interested if it meant we could get just compensation!. A late first rounder just simply isn't goood enough.
 
Love Balmey, cannot see us mortgaging the future by overpaying for Dusty even if that means losing him.
He was just saying on SEN that with a club first ethos it doesn't make sense to be irresponsible as all it means is the rest of list suffer, (get underpaid).
I'm summarizing not quoting.
Look no further than what Balmey was able to oversee during Geelong's golden era, their stars across the board accepted under's and the one that didn't, Ablett was let go.
Hopefully Dusty will choose the club 1st ethos and stay.
In Balmey I trust.
 
yep Balmey just said that exact thing. we build for team success not individual remuneration. He as much said if we pay Dusty what he wants/North offer we will not build a team for sustainable success. The call would have been so much easier for Dusty had we had a 2016 type season however is nod down to over a million from the Tigers (with im sure a few carrots outside the TPP) vs the North offer minus any immediate on field success.

Could have won a flag there 2-3 years back with PEtrie, Firitto, Harvey all in their twilight peak, no now, he will be one of the senior players at 26/27yo with a bunch of kids. No Jack, Cotch, Rance and to a lesser extent the 2nd tire players who have stood up in 2017. The expectation for Dusty to so IT ALL at North will be huge. And for his amazing skills, penetrating kicks and goal scene, he does still butcher the ball a bit... I expect more so in 2018 when he's expected to do more to keep North competitive.
 
The afl stepped in on the danger deal, they made Geelong to do a deal as a 'good will gesture '. Now I know this isn't for certain to happen in Dusty's case, but if no.1 draft pick comes into play it could become interesting.
 
mjb said:
Think a few people are down the wrong track expecting to trade with North. Dusty's situation is totally different to Danger's. Danger "wanted" to go to Geelong, Dusty doesn't "want" to go to North, he "wants" to be paid well. If push comes to shove and he holds out for the North money then we have two options. First, we match North and he stays. Second, we don't match North and he leaves. I don't see a third (Danger) option where we match and he still wants to leave.
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Third option is we tell him straight out we only matched so we can trade you out. You have no future here after what u have put the club through. Pick a few clubs and we will trade you to the best offer given to us. We are not paying you 1.5m we are trading you, end of story.
 
I dont know what the situation is but Dusty may simply be doing a Sheedy.

Every contract negotiation. Gee i love Richmond, Gee I miss Richmond. It's like having two kids (Essendon and Richmond) you love them equally blah blah blah.

Essendon stump up more dollars and more years for Sheedy. Sheedy stays.
 
mjb said:
Think a few people are down the wrong track expecting to trade with North. Dusty's situation is totally different to Danger's. Danger "wanted" to go to Geelong, Dusty doesn't "want" to go to North, he "wants" to be paid well. If push comes to shove and he holds out for the North money then we have two options. First, we match North and he stays. Second, we don't match North and he leaves. I don't see a third (Danger) option where we match and he still wants to leave.
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The club has done a lot for Dusty. I'm sure he acknowledges that If he ultimately chooses the reported extra $2 million (and it is a personal choice for him to make and who would begrudge him if he took the guaranteed $2 million), we go to him and say "Dusty, look, we love you but we just don't have the capacity to meet your salary expectation. If you decide to take the North offer, we understand, but given what RFC has done for you, we hope that you can leave our club on the strongest possible terms and assist us to get duly compensated for the development we have given you. Would would appreciate it if you can accept the North offer on the condition that you go to North on a facilitated trade basis". We then 'match' the offer from a free agency perspective but negotiate a trade for Dusty with North, netting us their first pick plus Goldstein / Brown / etc etc"
 
Nord don't have much to offer via players. The only one would be Brown. Goldstein looks done. We will get screwed if he decides to go there. That's free agency and that's why clubs hate it.
 
AS I've written before, it doesn't make sense for north to pay so much money to 1 player, albeit just about the best player in the league at present.
Can you imagine if you'd been working hard for a company for 5-6 years & they then bring in a person who was admittedly a bit better than you. But paid him 3-4 times more than you were getting. You'd be asking yourself is he really worth that much more than me, is he generating 3-4 times more output than me. In most cases the answer would be NO.
Imo it's a recipe for disaster for north.
Will getting Dusty generate another 10,000 -15,000 more members for them? Absolutely not, even in their most successful era they still had a very small membership. They don't have a lot of financially influential supporters.

In short they are a minnow club.

If Dusty does go there he'll be heavily tagged, scragged & bagged by supporters from just about all other clubs.

Another consideration is the mental pressure he'd be under, consider the expectation from the football world in general for him to perform, let alone what the north melbun ferals would be like if he had a couple of bad games. (which he inevitably would) No player can perform at their peak every single game, they all have peaks & troughs, they are only human after all.

I don't believe he will go, I also don't believe the club can or will be bent over a barrel. Personally I don't want them to be.
As has been said many times on this forum, THE CLUB IS BIGGER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL & that's the way it must be at all times.
 
tha8ball said:
Nord don't have much to offer via players. The only one would be Brown. Goldstein looks done. We will get screwed if he decides to go there. That's free agency and that's why clubs hate it.
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Yeah but pick 1 or 2 regardless of the player is better than FA compo at pick 17 or so.

The alternative is North pick up Dusty and take Rayner or someone at pick 1 in the draft. We can't have that happening
 
TT33 said:
AS I've written before, it doesn't make sense for north to pay so much money to 1 player, albeit just about the best player in the league at present.
Can you imagine if you'd been working hard for a company for 5-6 years & they then bring in a person who was admittedly a bit better than you. But paid him 3-4 times more than you were getting. You'd be asking yourself is he really worth that much more than me, is he generating 3-4 times more output than me. In most cases the answer would be NO.
Imo it's a recipe for disaster for north.
Will getting Dusty generate another 10,000 -15,000 more members for them? Absolutely not, even in their most successful era they still had a very small membership. They don't have a lot of financially influential supporters.

In short they are a minnow club.

If Dusty does go there he'll be heavily tagged, scragged & bagged by supporters from just about all other clubs.

Another consideration is the mental pressure he'd be under, consider the expectation from the football world in general for him to perform, let alone what the north melbun ferals would be like if he had a couple of bad games. (which he inevitably would) No player can perform at their peak every single game, they all have peaks & troughs, they are only human after all.

I don't believe he will go, I also don't believe the club can or will be bent over a barrel. Personally I don't want them to be.
As has been said many times on this forum, THE CLUB IS BIGGER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL & that's the way it must be at all times.
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I reckon they are trying to overcome their salary caps requirements.

They have had several high paid players retire in last couple of years and have already increased remaining player contracts so they meet the AFL requirement that they spend a minimum % of their salary cap.

On top of this the salary cap has gone up by about $2million so North are under pressure to meet the higher minimum salary cap requirement.

For this reason I suspect the offer from North to be heavily front end loaded with first year of two at $2million and maybe higher. The contract would then run down over the 7 years as their kids get paid more progressively. This high front end loading would be the reason why Martin has had to rethink his position.
 
We should all follow Dusty's lead and put a ban on discussing his contract 'til the end of the season.
Some of the stuff on here is embarrassing to read.
 
TT33 said:
AS I've written before, it doesn't make sense for north to pay so much money to 1 player, albeit just about the best player in the league at present.
Can you imagine if you'd been working hard for a company for 5-6 years & they then bring in a person who was admittedly a bit better than you. But paid him 3-4 times more than you were getting. You'd be asking yourself is he really worth that much more than me, is he generating 3-4 times more output than me. In most cases the answer would be NO.
Imo it's a recipe for disaster for north.
Will getting Dusty generate another 10,000 -15,000 more members for them? Absolutely not, even in their most successful era they still had a very small membership. They don't have a lot of financially influential supporters.

In short they are a minnow club.

If Dusty does go there he'll be heavily tagged, scragged & bagged by supporters from just about all other clubs.

Another consideration is the mental pressure he'd be under, consider the expectation from the football world in general for him to perform, let alone what the north melbun ferals would be like if he had a couple of bad games. (which he inevitably would) No player can perform at their peak every single game, they all have peaks & troughs, they are only human after all.

I don't believe he will go, I also don't believe the club can or will be bent over a barrel. Personally I don't want them to be.
As has been said many times on this forum, THE CLUB IS BIGGER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL & that's the way it must be at all times.
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Good post TT. Hard to fathom what North are up to.
 
jb03 said:
Good post TT. Hard to fathom what North are up to.
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Pretty obvious I reckon, trying to stay relevant.

agree with a lot of TT's post other than the 'why' part.
 
I'm starting to think that he'll be off, though I'm not sure it's a total disaster - the compo pick (and salary cap room) would be enough to get Hopper from GWS and then we could have a good crack at Lynch as a FA next year.
In terms of Dusty's relationship with the club you would hope he has enough respect to go as a free agent (ensuring compensation that won't damage his new club) rather than going into the PSD. It's not realistic to expect him to ask for a trade though as that would weaken North (eg losing pick 1) and make his job harder next year.
 
T71 just repeats what the voices in his head are telling him. Moment he calls this one a "lock" we are *smile*.
 
North's numbers would be based on (say) 5,000 new members - that's $600k - $700k in revenue
Plus an extra 3-4k per week at home games. Roughly another $600k in revenue.

Plus increased TV ratings which may attract another sponsor.

He's never going to be captain - or even do a lot of media. However, Buddy only does media reluctantly.

I can see where North is coming from, but reckon he will stay, because at heart, he is an introvert and would hate losing his mates. Hopefully some of our influential supporters are helping him develop his business interests outside footy - buying a café or two, a pub...
 
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