Dreamtime 2020 Game Day

[TigerFlag2017]

What did the druggies give for Shiel?

Overrated plodder.

 

[graystar1]

Cannot remember any team in recent history being constantly villified in the media like Richmond is at present.

Is it a tall poppy syndrome or what?

The HS web site today is all over supposed "flopping" by Richmond players, not to say how they are doing their best to have Lynch hung drawn and quartered.

 

[tigertim]

Richmond 3 frees in the F50, Essendon 1.

 

[eZyT]

Stats I found interesting

The Skip with only 69% game time and Bachar 70%, both will be fresh for WCE

Bellchambers & Marbs both with -ve metres gained !!

Marlion with 1/2 the disposal of Merrett (18-34) yet nearly 100m more gained (602-517)

Jack Graham that is, 10 score involvements & over 90% disposal efficiency

yeah it wasn't pretty but got time into Bachar, cotchy coasted and we got the choccies with a pretty high VFL index.

premiership defence starts in 4 sleeps.

I think GWS do WC this arvo..........

 

[Tass]

How is the news headlines!
Lynch a thug and Irving a hero.
Now while I agree irvng had a good start I also disagree that lynch is a thug.
This is bombers good tigers bad reporting.
In any other context there would be outrage.
The tigers are under the pump like never before.
2 more flags should see us in the right light i reckon.
go tigers..

Now that would invite a salt infused pile on of Armageddon proportions

 

[gold1]

Cannot remember any team in recent history being constantly villified in the media like Richmond is at present.

Is it a tall poppy syndrome or what?

The HS web site today is all over supposed "flopping" by Richmond players, not to say how they are doing their best to have Lynch hung drawn and quartered.

It is just history repeating itself. Back in the seventies Tom Hafey/Ian Wilson/Graeme Richmond declared war on the then VFL and media for the same thing.It spurred the Tiges to win two flags in a row.

 

[Al Bundy]

To me Im glad this vision is so close.

3 things wrong! What i want to see. Lynch no case. Hurley is big trouble imo

1. Hurley intentional strike, low impact to hand and has his back to the play. - 1 week suspension or fine
2. Lynch puts forearm to his chest. Holds, then fends off. Hurley stages for a free by pretending hit his neck. - $500 fine for staging
3. Darcy as a commentator. Only thing he wants to note is Lynch fending off as Lynch is the villian. FFS.

Dimma backs aggressive Lynch despite another potential MRO incident

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has again defended Tom Lynch despite another potential MRO incident

www.afl.com.au

 

[tigerlove]

Expect the media to highlight our lucky free kicks , you know it’s coming

I'm just celebrating we won the free kick count. By 1.

 

[Puntrd64]

To me Im glad this vision is so close.

3 things wrong! What i want to see. Lynch no case. Hurley is big trouble imo

1. Hurley intentional strike, low impact to hand and has his back to the play. - 1 week suspension or fine
2. Lynch puts forearm to his chest. Holds, then fends off. Hurley stages for a free by pretending hit his neck. - $500 fine for staging
3. Darcy as a commentator. Only thing he wants to note is Lynch fending off as Lynch is the villian. FFS.

Dimma backs aggressive Lynch despite another potential MRO incident

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has again defended Tom Lynch despite another potential MRO incident

www.afl.com.au

Has Richmond officially written to the AFL apologising for winning the game with c.c. to the AFL media. Talk about online bullying.

 

[mrposhman]

What a frustrating game.

Clearly our inaccuracy and their ridiculous accuracy made it much closer than it should have been. We need to get a lot more value out of our inside 50s.

The issue with the goal kicking tonight had 4 factors:

1. The delivery from the middle wasn't up to par, somewhat better than in some games this year, but still too much bombing into 50. There were more attempts to lower the eyes tonight but still not at the level it needs to be.
2. The forwards seem to park themselves close to goal. They need to lead, we need to get the forwards moving around more, some separation from defenders, make them run around a bit and split them up. This would also be contributing to the above as the mids have no idea where to kick the ball inside 50 because all they would see ahead of them is a large pack of players and not enough movement.
3. The crumbers . . . hmm, what crumbers? Our small forwards seem to be nowhere near the ball coming off the pack this year. You see a marking contest, the ball goes to ground and it is all opposition players. No idea what is going on there but they are seriously out of sorts.
4. Although the inside 50 delivery was not great we did have 9 marks in the forward 50, we had 1 last week and 5 against Port. There were a few shots which just shouldn't have been missed, so bad kicking for goal was also an issue.

That is a lot to fix up.

As for the contentious umpiring decisions cited above, they do merit some comment.

Vlastuin's 50: clearly hit high (neck) and well after he had completed the mark. Yes, Vlas applied some mayo, but would they have paid it otherwise? Hit, high, after the mark is complete - clear 50. One other thing, I thought it was a little soft but clearly within the rules. But looking at the replay slightly changed my mind,. Yes, still a little soft, but Bell-Chambers had ample time to move his arm out of the way and not strike Vlastuin. Bell-Chambers chose to hit Vlastuin, just on those grounds clear 50.

Balta's holding the ball: ok let's look at the actual rule and not the conjecture:



All of this relies on prior opportunity, which is defined as follows:



Balta had no prior opportunity, he was tackled as he gathered the ball and had one arm pinned immediately. Since he had no prior opportunity, did he attempt to dispose of the ball incorrectly? No. Was he able but did not genuinely attempt to dispose of the ball? No, not able (arm pinned). Did he dive on the ball? No, he was tackled to the ground.

Going by the definition above there is absolutely no way Balta had prior opportunity.

I've see players get an arm pinned immediately when they gather the ball many times every week - it is a ball up. I also see players get an eternity to dispose of the ball and still it is a ball up. The definition of prior opportunity above is actually not bad, pity the umpires seem incapable of either reading or understanding it.

The problem is that if they continue to adjudicate this rule so badly we will see, in fact we are already seeing, players run at the ball and try not to take possession as they know they are on a hiding to nothing if they go after the ball. There is a fundamental problem with the interpretation of the rules when that interpretation actively discourages players to go for the ball. It isn't even the rules which are a problem here, they are not that bad, it is the woeful interpretation of the rules and the gross inconsistency of the adjudication. FFS, we want players to go for the ball. Yes, reward a good tackle, but reward the player who is after the ball before you reward the player who is after the free kick.

DS

PS: finally, after searching the net rather than the AFL website which sends you to a 2017 video of the rules and a link to the 2019 rules, I found the 2020 rules. They are identical except it is now Section 18.6.

You might have read the wrong column for marks inside 50 last week. We had 14, Gold Coast had 1.

 

[year of the tiger]

Richmond 3 frees in the F50, Essendon 1.

my god and to win the free kick count overall - it was truely a weird weird game.

 

[Butch67]

Richmond 3 frees in the F50, Essendon 1.

We went inside 50 3 times more than them too

 

[tigerlove]

my god and to win the free kick count overall - it was truely a weird weird game.

We had zero frees at quarter time. I still don't understand how in this highly interpreted umpiring game any team can go a quarter without a single free.

 

[bozo]

I think the staging is born out of frustration. We don’t get free kicks full stop and watch other teams get them for nothing week in week out. So need to make any infringement obvious because we sure as hell aren’t gonna get one in normal circumstances.

 

[year of the tiger]

Nah disagree - every team stages for frees, put their hands up when they think they should get a free - it’s only Richmond players that the media focus on, just ask Rance and Grimes from the last few years.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Pretty sure Tom broke his right hand, but for some reason he’s strapping up his left...is it a ploy or another injury?

Right you are.

There was a similar small amount of tape on both hands, with some extra white bandage on the left. Maybe it was a ploy to suck Hurley in?

 

[JimJessTorp]

Right you are.

There was a similar small amount of tape on both hands, with some extra white bandage on the left. Maybe it was a ploy to suck Hurley in?

You are assuming Hurley knows the diff between right and left...

I'm kidding. I'm kidding!!!

I'm sure he is an excellent political scientist and we could all learn from his erudite theses on the role of the both conservative and non-conservative religious institutions in the body politic.

 

[Baloo]

This sort of post is akin to Andrew Bolt calling you a leftie because you don't want to deport every Muslim.

Try and dismiss it all you want, but IMHO it's exactly what you did.

 

[King Kong]

I think the staging is born out of frustration. We don’t get free kicks full stop and watch other teams get them for nothing week in week out. So need to make any infringement obvious because we sure as hell aren’t gonna get one in normal circumstances.

This is spot on. Because we have been screwed by the umpires for years our players have learnt to over play the free kicks to ensure the umpires have to make a decision

 

[DavidSSS]

You might have read the wrong column for marks inside 50 last week. We had 14, Gold Coast had 1.

I stand corrected, screwed that up well! I suppose it sounded credible given the number of intercept marks GC took against us. I still think we need to fix up the forward 50 entries and that there is a lot to work on there - not just the delivery inside 50 but also the forwards providing good options.

DS