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Curtains for Richo?

Barnzy said:
Yeah, it will be an interesting preseason indeed. He will probably go around one more time but to be honest, I just don't see the logic. In complete rebuild mode, new coach, lots of exiting older players, he could go out now as a champion of the game or push for another year and possibly wind up being on the sidelines the whole year or struggle and ruin his reputation within the game. This, on top of the fact we will struggle to move out of the bottom 4 next year so it will be another dismal year so I don't see the joy he gets out of it. Won't bother me too much if he goes around again and it would be good to farewell him properly but I am of the opinion he shouldn't go on and his time is up.

Well said.
In my opinion Richardson needs to be honest with himself, the new coach and where he sees the club at.
That is he is significantly older than most of the list, is now injury prone and the club is rebuilding with focus on a new generation given how far we are off from challenging. Even the most blindly optomistic would have to say we have a ways to go before we can even call ourselves a contender.

Of recent examples of those in Richo's predicament, Hird retired even though he was still one of their best 2 or 3(B&F last season) because he saw his side was a long way off and he was only taking opportunities of a junior who might one day add another premiership to Essendon. It was a selfless act that I thoroughly admired at the time.

At least when Robert Harvey went around one year too long his side was in with a shot at a Premiership.
He too was seen as integral to the Saints until he retired but they have gone from strength to strength without him there as others have had to bridge the gap.
There is life after club champions.

In tune with his entire career arguably since the hamstring injury, Richmond too have inexplicably done better without Richo in the team. Younger players have had to step up in his absence and whilst not as effective individually as the big lug have been learning the ropes and will be better next seaosn for the experience. Personally I don't think we have missed him much but even if he's fully fit what does it offer us? The difference between 13th & 11th in 2010?

I really question why he wants to play next year in the wake of this year's catastrophe but the answer to that is likely simple.
He loves the club and wants to be part of it, I think he'd like to play forever if he could. Heck we all would but there comes a time to hang up the boots and be happy with your lot. That time is now.

jb03 said:
Doubt he will be sacked, after a chat with hardwick a retirement is more likely.

If that's to be the case I hope it's handled with the dignity he deserves.
 
rexy said:
Cuz is selfless

Garbage. Cousins scuttled his old club through his own self-indulgent behaviour. Drug addicts are incredibly selfish. He obviously possesses tremendous strength of character to get back to where he is but let's not canonise him after 12 games for Richmond.
 
rexy said:
Keep Cuz, Let Richo go.
Cuz is selfless, Richo let's the whole team know that they aren't good enough.

Sorry ....... where was Richo wrong??? :rofl
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Garbage. Cousins scuttled his old club through his own self-indulgent behaviour. Drug addicts are incredibly selfish. He obviously possesses tremendous strength of character to get back to where he is but let's not canonise him after 12 games for Richmond.
No canonisation, just a better keep than Cho.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Why do we have to choose? And if it came to a choice, we'd likely get more for Cousins in a trade. FWIW I'd take a second-rounder for him in a heartbeat.

No.... Cousins was our best player in 09. Please keep him...
 
Richo and Cuz will both stay.
Brown & Simmonds to go.

You can't get rid of everyone in one year. (Would be tempting though)
There are plenty of others who need to go before Richo & Cuz.
 
rexy said:
No.... Cousins was our best player in 09. Please keep him...

Two more years of post-peak Cousins v potentially another Post or Morton on the books with a whole career ahead of him? Wouldn't be a hard decision for mine.

I'm not advocating getting rid of Cousins, but if the offer is there...
 
Total Tiger said:
Just posted on another thread but Hardwick's press conf left me thinking that Richo is gone

i wish, but i'm incredibly skeptical

the claw said:
hmm this is where i hope things change at richmond.
personally i dont believe hardwick should have the say in who stays and who goes. a say yes but the sole judge no.

we have had a review the process of identifying who stays who gets recruited player types etc should be down to list manager recruiting manager head of football as a group. those processes should be well into place by now or what good was the review.

damien hardwick is not going to come in and be the messiah he should be coming in and being the glue to a team all on the same page with a common goal and the process in place to achieve that goal. anything less and we will endure more misery.

we now have a coach hes just a cog in the wheel. to me it is more important to find those people who can run and be part of a successful footy dept.

if hardwickk goes down the wrong path or diverges from the process the footy dept should be capable of pulling him back into line.

yep, good post. the list management committee should be above the coach

Barnzy said:
The fact he said there's no sentiment in football when discussing Richo indicates to me there will be a few unhappy Tiger fans in a month or so.

unfortunately i think that was only targetted at nathan brown
 
Tigers of Old said:
In tune with his entire career arguably since the hamstring injury, Richmond too have inexplicably done better without Richo in the team.

Has Richo being out of the side helped us in 09? I dont think so. No height, no structure and players like Riewoldt are forced into a key position with little support too early in their careers.

Schulz and Hughes must go prior to Richo together with numerous other players that are never going to make it. Hence I dont think he is holding anyone back because you could get rid of 15 current players on the list before you get rid of Richo.
 
NZ Tiger said:
Has Richo being out of the side helped us in 09? I dont think so. No height, no structure and players like Riewoldt are forced into a key position with little support too early in their careers.

Schulz and Hughes must go prior to Richo together with numerous other players that are never going to make it. Hence I dont think he is holding anyone back because you could get rid of 15 current players on the list before you get rid of Richo.

Spot on, Richo should be given the opportunity to play at least one more year, after that??? Hardwick won't have the right to make that decision alone and from what I've heard Richo will be playing in 2010, along with Cuz, goodbye Brown and Simmonds, Pettifer, Silvester and a few others as well.

By all means clean out the playing list, but to off load Cuz to another team for a draft pick that may or may not work out and retire Richo now, would leave a gutted midfield and a forward line that has nothing in it, as Riewoldt, Morton, Nahas and Post are not KPP. We need players that have PASSION and are willing to work their butt's off to do whatever is necessary to WIN. Both Richo and Cuz fall into that class, NOT TOO MANY at Richmond do and people want to offload them!!!!!!
 
TigerMasochist said:
Maybe if you hadn't been totaly spaced last year Ace you might have noticed how he went in the brownlow voting.
The big fella's had a sh!t year with injury this year.
Considering his entire slary could be on the vets list next year and outside the cap if necessary a one year extension wouldn't hurt.
We've got more than enough never will be's in need of culling that we don't need to push Richo out this year.
Would expect Richo and Cuz to get another year.
Simmo and Browny to follow Joel and Toad into retirement.
Petts, Cogs, Sarge, Raines, Polly and hopefully Sanchez are probably in strife plus a raft of young guys as well that haven't looked like grabbing senior spots.
Richo and Cuz over thirties that can be eased any time in the future.
Newy and Moore and ??? mid to late twenties players then there's a bunch of under 23's left to form the core of the side.
Gawd there's a shocking hole in our 24 to 28 year old prime age players

I agree with what you are saying (so im not totally spaced out ;) ) I would like to see Richo stay at the club. However, lets put his performance last year and the brownlow votes in perspective: The vast majority of Richo's brownlow votes were awarded up to Round 15/16. From this point onwards the strain of playing an intense role on the wing slowed him down and consequently he really didnt poll much in the votes. I still vividly recall how much Richo struggled in round 22 against Freo- he was absolutely shot! Now, if we consider that he is a year older and has missed the majority of this season, in my mind it makes perfect sense to push Riewoldt up the ground and use Richo as a presence in the square. This approach may even serve to prevent soft tissue injuries to which Richo is susceptible.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Why do we have to choose? And if it came to a choice, we'd likely get more for Cousins in a trade. FWIW I'd take a second-rounder for him in a heartbeat.

this is a richo thread.
but thats an interesting question. cuz for 2nd rounder? you should start a thread to see what people think.