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[Ready]

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Should have won that. Just imagine if we'd made 50-odd more!

Will take every small bit of encouragement before the World Cup on offer.

 

[Rosy]

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 I guess narrow losses are as good as the Poms can do against the Aussies.

A bonus point isn't a narrow loss, it's a flogging.  Hubris my foot.  :rofl

 

[nwonash]

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They should have brought back the Australia A concept. Especially as the World Cup is around the corner and England / New Zealand are little competition.

At least one would think Australia A would be more competitive than the crap they brought out this year. The only interest in this years one day series is which team sucks more, England or New Zealand ?

 

[Tygrys]

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I was just thinking watching the Australia / England match - what has happened to Jacques?

A season ago he makes a slashing debut and then gets left out for that snail Katich. Well the selectors persist with Katich practically forever and then he finally gets dropped. He then gets overlooked in preference to Shane Watson (I don't have a problem with Watson per se but when fit I really think he should be given his chance down the order), but then Watson gets injured so who do they replace him with? A 36 year old Matthew Hayden who hadn't played one day cricket for a number of years. And this isn't even Hayden the flat track bully - it's the Hayden post 2005 ashes tour who had to reconstruct and modify his game along more conservative and constrained lines - in part because of age, in part because of smarter tactics employed against him.

Ok and now the game just conclued they rest Pointing - so who do they bring in - Brad Hodge??? The guy that they didn't consider good enough despite scoring a double century against the South Africans in a test match and who'll be 33 at the end of this year. Now why couldn't Jacques have played as first drop?

Personally I'm no great fan of our selectors - the substandard opposition Australia has played has really flattered them. And there is no better evidence of this than how they handled selection of the top of the order in the one day side and their treatment of Jacques

 

[jb03]

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Unfortunately for Jacques his recent form is not too flash. I think Hodge was rewarded for continuing to make runs at State level. I thought his papers had been stamped before but perhaps after last night, depsite his fielding they will be restamped.

 

[mk33]

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Unfortunately for Jacques his recent form is not too flash.  I think Hodge was rewarded for continuing to make runs at State level.  I thought his papers had been stamped before but perhaps after last night, depsite his fielding they will be restamped.

Didnt help last night for Hodgey. Jacques was flying at start of year but as JB said recent form not good.
Re World Cup barring injury 13 are already selected in
Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, Symonds, Hussey, White, Lee, Bracken , McGrath, Johnson, Hogg, Clark.

Unlikely to take 6 quicks so Hilfenhaus be hoping for injury or maybe competiting with Clark.
Hogg and White to be slow bowlers, they may take another in Cullen but unlikely
Usually dont take a back up keeper.
Hayden may be the only batsman with queries
So competiting for 2 spots are Hodge, Watson, Voges, Jacques, Cosgrove.

 

[Tygrys]

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Unfortunately for Jacques his recent form is not too flash. I think Hodge was rewarded for continuing to make runs at State level. I thought his papers had been stamped before but perhaps after last night, depsite his fielding they will be restamped.

Didnt help last night for Hodgey. Jacques was flying at start of year but as JB said recent form not good.
Re World Cup barring injury 13 are already selected in
Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, Symonds, Hussey, White, Lee, Bracken , McGrath, Johnson, Hogg, Clark.

Unlikely to take 6 quicks so Hilfenhaus be hoping for injury or maybe competiting with Clark.
Hogg and White to be slow bowlers, they may take another in Cullen but unlikely
Usually dont take a back up keeper.
Hayden may be the only batsman with queries
So competiting for 2 spots are Hodge, Watson, Voges, Jacques, Cosgrove.

Heard Peter Roebuck on the ABC talking about Clark. He basically said that the length that he bowls at which has made him so successful at test level is the one that is making him so vunerable in ODI (especially at his military medium pace). He had doubts that he will be selected for the world cup. Personally I would hate to see Clark selected purely on test form when he is continually being flayed around the park in one dayers.

As for Hayden, they'll probably stick with him whilst he is making his 20s and 30s and we are winning. Not that he deserves it it and not that the teams couldn't be improved - but the selectors are all about complacency and sticking with whom they know (and 'rewarding' established players for some reason).

As for Jacques, I hear what people are saying about his recent figures not being too flash. But as for the selectors picking on form and rewarding performances in Pura cup - I only have one response to that: Damien Martyn. I know flogging a dead horse, but who can honestly say after Martyns reselection into the Australian side that they subscribe to any methodology that we can truly believe in.

 

[tigertim]

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Unfortunately for Jacques his recent form is not too flash.  I think Hodge was rewarded for continuing to make runs at State level.  I thought his papers had been stamped before but perhaps after last night, depsite his fielding they will be restamped.

Hodge didnt do himself any favours but then not many batsmen did so it shouldnt be held against him too much.

 

[Tigers of Old]

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As for Jacques, I hear what people are saying about his recent figures not being too flash. But as for the selectors picking on form and rewarding performances in Pura cup - I only have one response to that: Damien Martyn. I know flogging a dead horse, but who can honestly say after Martyns reselection into the Australian side that they subscribe to any methodology that we can truly believe in.

He must have pretty bad BO or something? :don't know

 

[Ready]

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A bonus point isn't a narrow loss, it's a flogging.  Hubris my foot.  :rofl

I await with some pleasure a Chris Gayle or Kamran Akmal going mental in a sudden-death World Cup match :nodyes

 

[Rosy]

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I await with some pleasure a Chris Gayle or Kamran Akmal going mental in a sudden-death World Cup match :nodyes

I don't get the relevance to my comments. Can't figure out if you've jumped off the Poms or if you are looking forward to seeing other countries bowlers tear them apart. :hihi

I look forward to the World Cup too. The cricket has been far too one sided this summer with the Aussies dominance and lack of competition to this stage. I feel a bit ripped off that so many games have been cut so short. Too many potential lazy days on the couch watching cricket have gone begging. :blah

My comments were on past fact rather than hubris although there are still a few games to go and things might well change and the opposition might start putting up a good fight. I hope so.

C'Mon Aussies.

 

[Ready]

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I was sure I put "against Australia". Nevertheless :-[

 

[mb64]

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Hayden should be dumped from 1 day sideas he hasn't done enough.Time to look for another option for the world cup.

 

[mk33]

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Hayden should be dumped from 1 day sideas he hasn't done enough.Time to look for another option for the world cup.

Katich !

 

[FightingFury]

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I was sure I put "against Australia". Nevertheless  :-[

Let it go Ready....your bitterness will twist you into the ground.

 

[mb64]

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Hayden should be dumped from 1 day sideas he hasn't done enough.Time to look for another option for the world cup.

Katich !

Next

 

[tigertim]

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Hayden should be dumped from 1 day sideas he hasn't done enough.Time to look for another option for the world cup.

Katich !

Next

Not only is Hayden looking ordinary but Gilly really isn't much chop any more as an opener. I'd try him back as a number 7 to go the tonk in the dying overs.

Jacques
Rogers
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Symonds
Gilchrist
White
Lee
Clark
McGrath
12th Hodgey!

After the World Cup I'd rest Gilly from one dayeys for good and let Haddin take over.

 

[skybeau]

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Jacques
Rogers
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Symonds
Gilchrist
White
Lee
Clark
McGrath
12th Hodgey!

After the World Cup I'd rest Gilly from one dayeys for good and let Haddin take over.

No way Aussies would leave out Bracken, we need his swing. Perhaps Gilly at 6, White at 7, and Jacques/Rogers and Hussey opening?

 

[Tygrys]

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Hayden should be dumped from 1 day sideas he hasn't done enough.Time to look for another option for the world cup.

Katich !

Next

Not only is Hayden looking ordinary but Gilly really isn't much chop any more as an opener. I'd try him back as a number 7 to go the tonk in the dying overs.

Jacques
Rogers
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Symonds
Gilchrist
White
Lee
Clark
McGrath
12th Hodgey!

After the World Cup I'd rest Gilly from one dayeys for good and let Haddin take over.

Hayden should never have been bought back to the one day side. He is not the dominating player he once was and at 36 there are more likely prospects about (and yes bring on Jacques!). Gilchrist is showing the characteristic signs of age too - still brilliant on his day, but those days are becoming more spasmodic as he nears the end. Not sure if I would play him down the order or not, still happy to have him in the one day side but his time is limited.

As for Gilchrists replacement, if not in the one dayers then then certainly the test matches I would be looking at Tim Paine from Tasmania. He has just turned 22 and as a wicket keeper batsman he has already scored a double century at state level. He was also captain of the Australian Under 19 side. Harsh on Haddin I know (he has done nothing wrong) - but this kid looks pretty phenomenal and I'd hate to see him wait forever like Gilchrist did for Healy who was so obviously the inferior player, but had the advantage of incumbency (and the stupidity that comes with it).

Clark is iffy at best - I know he took four wickets the other day but he is finding it impossible it seems to go for under 50. With the amount of runs he is going for you could almost pick another batsman/part time bowler to take his place and not loose anything. At the moment you would back either Johnson or Hilfenhaus to return better figures. Clark needs to improve his economy rate or he will be trouble.

 

[mb64]

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Gilly deserves to retain the openers spot,with White & Symonds in the middle order it is better having Gilly in as opener who is still capable of making quick runs.