Coronavirus

[DavidSSS]

Do the children of anti-vaxxers have the polio shot and the MMR shot? Given we are over 95% in getting these shots into kids I can't see why we can't get to 90% with the COVID shot.

People need to just get out and have their shots, we all had vaccinations as kids, no question as the research had already been done, and we know that we don't want polio, measles, mumps or rubella back.

DS

 

[Sintiger]

My partner showed me a social media post today which said that in the USA 8 times as many Republicans as Democrats are dying from COVID as they are far less likely to be vaccinated. Make of it what you will but I know which group I reckon is doing better out of this stand off about vaccination.

DS

I guess one silver lining may be that it will become less likely that Trump gets back in if his supporters are dying .

 

[pete and tys]

Do the children of anti-vaxxers have the polio shot and the MMR shot? Given we are over 95% in getting these shots into kids I can't see why we can't get to 90% with the COVID shot.

People need to just get out and have their shots, we all had vaccinations as kids, no question as the research had already been done, and we know that we don't want polio, measles, mumps or rubella back.

DS

Over 5% , or over one in twenty parents refuse to vaccinate their children against fatal but completly preventable illnesses..go figure that.
Another 5% roughly vaccinate their kids because of govt financial incentives to do so.

So at least 10% of children would otherwise not be vaccinated. If you assume they have two parents, for two kids roughly, then 10 % of adults will not choose to be vaccinated.
Add to that the media driven vax fear that I have seen personally in vulnerable but also some intelligent people, then add aged confusion, general disinterest and stupidity, and you will get close to 20 % refusal to vaccinate without trouble.

We will only get to 80% and more with incentives. Hopefully refused access to bars etc will drive that.

 

[spook]

If Covid kills off mostly stupid people, I guess it has a silver lining.

Dumbarses have been holding humanity back since well before Moses got high on DMT.

 

[MB78]

3,042,801 Coronavirus Cases and 1,432 Active in Victoria - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Victoria

covidlive.com.au

This link I find is better. Ive been checking it out as it covers all doses ( State & Fed) providing a true picture of Victorian vaccines administered

76,998 doses administered yesterday in Victoria

They update them in the afternoon once the Federal Government release their numbers. For the vaccination run rate which I’m talking in this instance this is a better source as they use the 1st dose projections to come up with their fully vaccinated number. The other site uses the 2nd dose vaccination numbers to do their projections. This is flawed logic if 1st doses are going at twice the rate of 2nd doses it will show that it’s going to take a lot longer than the reality. Political point scoring governments will be using your numbers so that they can all pat themselves on the back. So all governments.

 

[MB78]

My partner showed me a social media post today which said that in the USA 8 times as many Republicans as Democrats are dying from COVID as they are far less likely to be vaccinated. Make of it what you will but I know which group I reckon is doing better out of this stand off about vaccination.

DS

The Greens voters, Palmer voters and most inland Queensland voters will fit into this category.

 

[MB78]

Have a look at the attached. A few trends that I can see from this data of over 1,000 people surveyed. Dan Andrews approval rating recovers when he opens up playgrounds and regional Victoria.

States that have not been impacted as much with lockdowns think Scott Morrison is doing a good job compared to NSW and Victoria.

6% of Australians will never be vaccinated. Of these you are 3 times more likely to be an ALP voter, and twice as likely to be an Greens voter than a Coalition voter.
This may explain why Melbourne is the worst in the state.

The Essential Report Archive

The Essential Report is a poll that tracks social and political issues. The regular questions include political preferences and leadership approval.

essentialvision.com.au

 

[Bunnerz]

I see Singapore may need to go back to lockdown despite 80 per cent double dosed.
Deaths of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Worst day of year today.

 

[vinpaul]

I guess one silver lining may be that it will become less likely that Trump gets back in if his supporters are dying .

You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.

 

[MD Jazz]

I see Singapore may need to go back to lockdown despite 80 per cent double dosed.
Deaths of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Worst day of year today.

No fully vaccinated person has died there in the past 28 days according to a report I just read. Fully vaccinated are in ICU though. Let’s not start too much fear mongering

 

[Tigers of Old]

I see Singapore may need to go back to lockdown despite 80 per cent double dosed.
Deaths of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Worst day of year today.

Doesn't sound all that bad.

Singapore reports worst daily Covid case tally in more than a year

Government pauses reopening plans after 837 new daily infections, despite just four deaths in a month among 80% vaccinated population

www.theguardian.com

 

[spook]

ICU's scary enough.

 

[Tigers of Old]

ICU's scary enough.

It was only 8 people in 28 days. 3 who were fully vaxxed.

 

[RoarEmotion]

You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.

What would the sub groups be other than anti vax?

U12
U16 not yet had access
Waiting for preferred vax
Health condition makes vax health risk greater than Covid

Others?

 

[Sintiger]

You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.

I can see how you may take my comment that way but please look at the context of it being made. It was in reply to a post that said Republicans were dying of COVID at a rate 8 times that of Democrats. In that way it was a statement of fact that Trump voters are literally dying off. Given the US has over 680,000 deaths from COVID that would not be insignificant.
I would prefer that the US hadn’t had 0.2% of it population die of COVID but they have. My attempt at black humour was noting a bi-product of that

 

[Sintiger]

What would the sub groups be other than anti vax?

U12
U16 not yet had access
Waiting for preferred vax
Health condition makes vax health risk greater than Covid

Others?

Religious grounds is the other one I have come across

 

[Coburgtiger]

What would the sub groups be other than anti vax?

U12
U16 not yet had access
Waiting for preferred vax
Health condition makes vax health risk greater than Covid

Others?

I was due to get my second jab this Saturday, after getting my first Jab as soon as I could get a booking, the minute I was allowed to.

My daughters childcare is a tier 1 site, and now I'm in quarantine for two weeks, so I've had to cancel the appointment.

BTW home quarantine sucks. Especially with a toddler with cabin fever. I didn't realise how much respite the quick walk with her down to the park to chase a footy was offering. Trying to entertain her in our tiny house while still WFH I is brutal.

I have seven close mates in my friendship circle. All in our early thirties. None are anti vaxxers. Two are fully vaccinated (health care worker and a firey). The rest are very close to the second jab, though I was the closest.

People are forgetting how late these shots were opened up, until recently how difficult it was to get an appointment with a GP to check out that you could get AZ and the lag time between shots.

 

[Ian4]

Got a bit frustrated yesterday. The Age, Guardian and COVID Pete listed Victoria’s 80% projection as 86 days. All 3 used the flawed COVID Live projection data. I tried to call them about by saying the data is wrong, but I got jumped on by pro-vaxxers of all people. Weird.

 

[vinpaul]

What would the sub groups be other than anti vax?

U12
U16 not yet had access
Waiting for preferred vax
Health condition makes vax health risk greater than Covid

Others?

Yes l think that waiting for preferred vax, hesitant on MRNA technology group is a much larger group than people who are simply anti-vax. Also people who don’t like the government making it mandatory (which is basically the case if you want to live half a normal life)

 

[Scoop]

Got a bit frustrated yesterday. The Age, Guardian and COVID Pete listed Victoria’s 80% projection as 86 days. All 3 used the flawed COVID Live projection data. I tried to call them about by saying the data is wrong, but I got jumped on by pro-vaxxers of all people. Weird.

How do you see the next three months playing out in Melbourne mate?