Now is not the time to play politics.
You cannot put this cat back in the back.
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Now is not the time to play politics.
You cannot put this cat back in the back.
Who the hell's playing politics? I don't think I've mentioned them in this thread.
That's the government's plan and it is what it is. We're getting hit and need to hope the government will get the best outcome. Their #1 goal is to keep the hospital system's head above water.
Maybe you'd prefer the UK strategy to bring it on, develop "herd immunity" (unconfirmed if viable), and cop the damage to the elderly?
So weird that Trump exempted U.K. and Ireland (while again mixing up the two in the presence of the Irish Taoiseach - basically Prime Minister) from his travel ban. Ireland has had 90 cases so far and reacted very late, the U.K. has had 798 cases to date with 10 deaths. I expect the U.K. (and Irish) cases to jump post-Cheltenham too.
Don't think so. They need a plan and they've got one, for better or worse. See fire/put fire out isn't an optimal strategy in all conditions.
It's sensible to elect not to contribute to reaching the trigger point, if you have a choice.
Dutton lied about when he became symptomatic, as he's admitted today. Morrison and co. refusing to self-isolate. When Chris Bowen asked legitimate questions, Hunt cried 'politicising!', which of course was itself politicising.
They let in 30,000 Chinese students. Unbelievable.
I thought it was bad trying to get my box of weet-bix and some pasta sauce for dinner yesterday.
My hairdresser is italian. I saw him today, and he said from the people "back home", they had a huge manufacturing convention in Milan (happens every year). Basically everyone from China, Japan, Korea, America, etc come to the conference. He said the locals think it's basically come in through the conference and been taken back to various countries from there. don't know if it's 100% factual, but it couldn't be horribly wrong.
He also said they can't leave their house unless it's to go get food etc. They queue up outside the supermarket, and you have 45 minutes to get your stuff and get out. Otherwise they come in and drag you out and send you home, without you getting your supplies. If you are 80+ and have a prior medical condition and get COVID-19, they send you home and say good luck. They'd rather give the bed to someone who "has got a chance at living".
Given the potential the conference may have had, I'm a bit annoyed we aren't learning the lessons from overseas and closing our borders completely. Plenty of anecdotes on talkback radio etc that people aren't being quizzed particularly hard about being sick at airports, so I think if they don't, it's only going to get worse quickly.
I live in the UK and this is the first I’ve heard of this. We’re being shut down as well.
For some reason every country has been averse to closing borders. Not sure whether the reasons are economic, political or something else. Once it's here you probably die a slow death by closing borders, both health- and economy-wise. It will all come out in the washup.
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As Europe Shuts Down, Britain Takes a Different, and Contentious, Approach
Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain once said his political hero was the mayor in the film “Jaws,” praising him for defying mass hysteria to keep the beaches open after a constituent is eaten by a shark.
As the coronavirus now stampedes across Britain and much of the world, Mr. Johnson is heeding the same principle, spurning the mass closures that have become commonplace across Europe and gambling his political future on a more restrained approach.
While countries across Europe have shut schools, sporting events and even restaurants and bars, Mr. Johnson has largely kept Britain open, opting for more targeted measures like asking people with respiratory symptoms to stay home. In effect, his government has said that mass closures will not halt the outbreak, and that exposing a large segment of the population will help build immunity and limit future infections.
That strategy has startled some epidemiologists, drawn criticism from a former health secretary and political ally, and prompted angry demands that Mr. Johnson’s government reveal more of its reasoning.
Cases of the coronavirus in Britain, held low for weeks as officials tracked down the contacts of known patients, have now surged, rising to nearly 800 on Friday from fewer than 600 a day before. With testing limited to hospital patients, Mr. Johnson said on Thursday that the true number of people infected may be as many as 10,000.
“There’s no other country in the world managing the epidemic in the same way,” Francois Balloux, an infectious disease epidemiologist at University College London, said of Britain’s approach. But, he said, “It’s not an insane decision. And it might actually pay off.”
The government is leaning heavily on skepticism in some scientific circles about the effectiveness of mass closures. Some epidemiologists fear that closing schools only pulls front-line doctors and nurses away from their work, and believe that large events are less dangerous for spreading the virus than more intimate gatherings at bars or at people’s homes.
It has also said that the measures it has taken, like asking people with persistent coughs and high temperatures to stay home for a week, will reduce the spread of the virus considerably.
But British advisers are also leaning on a more contentious theory: that exposing a large proportion of the population to the coronavirus could help people develop immunity, and put Britain in a better position to defend itself against the virus roaring back next winter.
Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, said the government was looking “to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission.”
Herd immunity, a term usually used to refer to the way mass vaccinations can stop the spread of disease and protect people who are not immune, is not seen by many scientists as a tool to be used against the coronavirus. Mr. Vallance has said that it would require roughly 60 percent of Britons to become infected, creating enough immunity in the population that a second surge in cases next winter would be less severe.
But experts said that was an unusual and untested approach, and that it would be impossible to keep older and more vulnerable people from becoming infected too, putting them at a significant risk. They cautioned that the science was unsettled on how quickly people develop immunity to the coronavirus, and for how long. And experts urged the government to show more of the evidence behind its thinking.
“Herd immunity means 70 percent of people or so have been infected,” said Martin Hibberd, a professor of infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “In my mind, that’s not a desirable aim. That’s a kind of consequence of the strategy.”
^^ A few Rayzor specials would have supporters foaming at the mouth and CV flying everywhere.
Plus, it survives on plastic for up to three days. You'd be wiping your seat down at a Sunday MCG game after matches on Friday and Saturday.
Plus, it survives on plastic for up to three days. You'd be wiping your seat down at a Sunday MCG game after matches on Friday and Saturday.
Spurning mass closures...? Everything is cancelled...!
Case count excluding China/Diamond Princess (12am)
80,841 cases
2,859 deaths (3.54%)
2,422 severe (3%)
66,980 mild (83%)
8,580 recovered (11%)
150 countries/three quarters of the world infected
In 24 hours there will be more cases outside China than in it, with deaths not far behind.
Italy, Iran & Spain contributed 86% of yesterday's deaths.
Unless the world shuts down, the numbers will become astronomical before long.
80,841 cases
2,859 deaths (3.54%)
2,422 severe (3%)
66,980 mild (83%)
8,580 recovered (11%)
150 countries/three quarters of the world infected
In 24 hours there will be more cases outside China than in it, with deaths not far behind.
Italy, Iran & Spain contributed 86% of yesterday's deaths.
Unless the world shuts down, the numbers will become astronomical before long.
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Found this interesting, and alarming article, below is part of it, with a link to the whole article.
“Coronaviruses aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long, long time and many species - not just humans - get them,” he explained. “So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”
This means that people who initially recovered are more likely to relapse rather than get reinfected with the virus.
According to one study, people with mild infections can test positive for the virus by throat swabs “for days and even weeks after their illness”.
So I guess this means that people who have recovered from the virus can still infect others.
Stay healthy brothers and sisters.
www.independent.co.uk
“Coronaviruses aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long, long time and many species - not just humans - get them,” he explained. “So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”
This means that people who initially recovered are more likely to relapse rather than get reinfected with the virus.
According to one study, people with mild infections can test positive for the virus by throat swabs “for days and even weeks after their illness”.
So I guess this means that people who have recovered from the virus can still infect others.
Stay healthy brothers and sisters.
Can you get coronavirus twice or does it cause immunity?
President Trump tweeted that he could no longer get Covid-19 after testing positive during the election campaign
www.independent.co.uk
