this is not true. Vic obviously had a monumental *smile* up last year where cases got totally out of control, but other than that Vic has been no worse than anywhere else.
so yes, 1 big big failure, but not more failures in number.
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so yes, 1 big big failure, but not more failures in number.
you think the latest outbreak was due to luck or poor management?
and who is lying ? Nebuliser guy of the vic government? Or is no one lying as suggested by Emma Cassar? Do you swallow such *smile*?
one year in and we still haven’t put in the correct protocols. It’s laughable.
Yep, and failing already:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02...us-darwin-military-training-exercise/13153326
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But there is a reason for them, it's not their fault
Rhetoric may backfire on Andrews if outbreak not turned around
When COVID-19 arrived on our shores, leaders embraced military rhetoric to explain the situation’s gravity. Now it could backfire on Daniel Andrews.
Are NZ failing too? Auckland has had more snap lockdowns in 2021 than VIC has, so does that mean they are failing too?
which part? I read the article was curious. Sorry, dont see it. (did I misread it)
They are meant to return a negative result before boarding their flight. he was asymptomatic. They wouldnt board him if he was +. It has shown you can still get a negative result and a few days later be +. Tests are not 100% bulllit proof.
They still test them when they arrive. Found him + and checked his close contact. none. Isolated. They quarantine them all for 14 days.
Someone on twitter has put together a timeline of the latest outbreak:
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I think we should have a national approach to quarantine so we have consistency. It's the biggest risk to the economic and health prosperity of this country. Why (unless jurisdictional) wouldn't you want control over that if you are the federal gov't? Unless you don't think you could do any better so judge the political risk too great?
Imagine the kudos if you took it over and got it right? I reckon the 4 panelists from Q&A last week could get it planned & sorted in a week or so. The $$ cost should be irrelevant?
Isn't it a national security issue?
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Don't disagree. The article IanG posted in The Age by Prof Blakely is an indictment on the Vic quarantine system. How many mistakes/lessons are required to get it right?
There have been many of us saying the same thing, and Scomo has been asleep at the wheel with regards a national approach for a while now. They can have national cabinet etc but every state has dealt with it slightly differently.
The $ figure is not really irrelevant, but they should be considering it along the lines of the cost of lockdowns. I have no idea of the validity of these numbers but heard on the news earlier that the current lockdown of 5 days will cost the economy between $0.5bn and $1bn. If those numbers are anywhere near to correct, then the cost of setting up and managing should pale into insignificance.
I have no idea how many staff are needed on site at any time, but even if we increased the rate of pay to $50-60 for staff and had them work for 2 weeks onsite (live onsite) then isolate (onsite) for 2 weeks (with the same testing as passengers, then they can go home for 2 weeks, then rinse repeat. Sure the costs are high, but as high as the loss in the economy from lockdowns? I doubt it.
So would make sense from a health perspective, and would also likely make sense from an economic perspective. Why is Scomo continuing to sit on his hands?
The AstraZeneca vaccine is ineffective against the South African strain:
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Herd immunity is the end game for the pandemic, but the AstraZeneca vaccine won’t get us there
Australia should pivot to a high-efficacy vaccine like Pfizer or Novavax to give us the best chance of achieving herd immunity.
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Alan Kohler asks the same question and other relevant questions in his latest column for the New Daily:
Alan Kohler: What the hell is going on with vaccines and quarantine?
In August last year, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced that “Australians will be among the first in the world" to get vaccinated. We're still waiting.
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Experts put poor virus controls in spotlight
An infectious diseases expert says the significant problem that led to the latest Victorian coronavirus outbreak was poor infection control, and not the more-contagious British variant blamed by the state government.
I was being facetious, however, my partner was talking to her sister last night who lives in Darwin and said the US military who come in are not quarantined, they just go off to wherever they are staying so really not sure what is going on there. In any case, the blame game is ridiculous, the reality is that hotels are not designed for quarantine which is why there are cases coming out of them. It is no wonder there are cases which spread to the community and these will continue until we get a real quarantine system in place while vaccinations are sorted.
We need to sort quarantine and then we need to sort some sort of immunity as we look to be beyond eradicating the virus.
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