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More than double the population of Australia crammed into 0.03 of the area... They were always up against it.

This is the same argument I have heard from members of my family back in the UK but its actually a false narrative. It assumes that population density follows our land area and when circa 90-95% of Australia is essentially uninhabited then you cannot really include that land area.

Both Melbourne and Sydney have a higher population density than any city in the UK bar London.

The UK *smile* up. Boris Johnson has been so far behind its unbelievable. The stuff ups by his cabinet back in March / April when they were breaching lockdown laws set the precedent for the rest of the country who then followed suit.
 
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You're making assumptions here, expecting everything to be perfect when nothing ever is. Thats why you have better systems of checks and balances that minimise the consequences. Hotel quarantine as a system is flawed with minimal checks and balances by its very nature. Like I've said before even the normal strain has escaped from NSW and other states let alone the more infectious version. I really don't see the need to want to blame someone when the system itself is so flawed, unless egregious errors are uncovered

It's a reasonable assumption. Most would expect that the workers that are engaged to operate the hotel quarantine system are sufficiently trained to undertake their responsibilities. It's a fairly important issue.


Inside the age article you can see the nub of the problem imo.
The nebuliser was replaced when he went to the health hotel after taking advice from infection control experts and these experts only provide advice at those hotels.
The decision to have non hot hotel quarantine run by Justice dept and the fact that they don’t consult real infection control experts is at the heart of the problem.
 
This is the same argument I have heard from members of my family back in the UK but its actually a false narrative. It assumes that population density follows our land area and when circa 90-95% of Australia is essentially uninhabited then you cannot really include that land area.

Both Melbourne and Sydney have a higher population density than any city in the UK bar London.

The UK *smile* up. Boris Johnson has been so far behind its unbelievable. The stuff ups by his cabinet back in March / April when they were breaching lockdown laws set the precedent for the rest of the country who then followed suit.
True, but the major population centres have far greater separation. Hence the Victorian outbreak resulting in ~800 deaths in four months was able to be restricted along containment lines/state borders.
 
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True, but the major population centres have far greater separation. Hence the Victorian outbreak resulting in ~800 deaths in four months was able to be restricted along containment lines/state borders.

Fair call, but they did almost nothing to in relation to border control. Even now, they are claiming a world class HQ system, that keeps people there for 10 days, yet we have shown a number of passengers recently that have tested positive on day 16. How have they learnt that 10 days is right?

The UK have been winging it for a while now with no real policy in place to suppress the virus.
 
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Depends if it is said in a way that seeks to blame the UK for allowing the strain exist and spread. (which is reasonable considering if they had of done lockdown properly there wouldnt be a "UK" strain, and we wouldnt be in lockdown.)

we could start calling it the "Pom-Flu"
 
This is the same argument I have heard from members of my family back in the UK but its actually a false narrative. It assumes that population density follows our land area and when circa 90-95% of Australia is essentially uninhabited then you cannot really include that land area.

Both Melbourne and Sydney have a higher population density than any city in the UK bar London.

The UK *smile* up. Boris Johnson has been so far behind its unbelievable. The stuff ups by his cabinet back in March / April when they were breaching lockdown laws set the precedent for the rest of the country who then followed suit.

It's a rubbish argument. Try South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan or even China for places with higher population density that did much, much, much better. Thailand.
 
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Story being reported about a possible positive at Monash Uni's on-campus accommodation. Wouldn't want to be in Dan's shoes if it's an international student and it results in a longer lockdown...
 
It's a rubbish argument. Try South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan or even China for places with higher population density that did much, much, much better. Thailand.

When I've heard it used, its mainly used to pretty much go "well we didn't stand a chance so it is what it is", but thats a false argument and I think people in the UK are starting to see that now that they know that much of Australia (did include VIC until yesterday) is largely doing around our lives like Covid doesn't exist.
 
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Scomo is pathetic to not be taking over responsibility for quarantine. Unless there are legal reasons it shows zero leadership. Vic have shown they cannot do it. For Andrews to want tolimit return traveller numbers shows his hand. He knows it will get out again if his health department is in charge. The politics around it puts us all at risk. Show some balls scomo. Show you are more than just a poll watcher.
 
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Depends if it is said in a way that seeks to blame the UK for allowing the strain exist and spread. (which is reasonable considering if they had of done lockdown properly there wouldnt be a "UK" strain, and we wouldnt be in lockdown.)
Can you give me some specific examples of how it was handled badly and exactly what YOU would have done to improve the situation?

Please bear in mind things like the UK being a main gateway to Europe, its business infrastructure, the population, the geographical area and London being one of the main financial hubs in the world. Of course, it shouldn’t be limited to these as there are many more.

I look forward to hearing your blueprint for what should have happened, seeing as how it was handled so poorly.
 
My view is simple

Our national borders are a federal responsibility.

We have known since March last year that this pandemic would impact our way of life for 2 years minimum - the experts were saying back then that it would be 2 to 3 years before life gets back to normal with a vaccine fully developed, tested and roled out.

A long term solution was always needed, since watching the ruby princess debacle through to Victoria’s quarantine system breakdown last year we have always known this was Australia’s biggest weakness.

So where is the Federal Govt in all this......... they are asleep at the wheel at best, incompetent at worst and why does no one raise this.

My view also is that a nationally based, high quality quarantine system based away from the big cities is still desperately needed and why doesn’t Morrison do sometching.

Its called leadership and is desperately lacking.
If you think the federal govt is incompetent why do you call for them to run the quarantine program?
 
Scomo is pathetic to not be taking over responsibility for quarantine. Unless there are legal reasons it shows zero leadership. Vic have shown they cannot do it. For Andrews to want tolimit return traveller numbers shows his hand. He knows it will get out again if his health department is in charge. The politics around it puts us all at risk. Show some balls scomo. Show you are more than just a poll watcher.
What skills or resources (other than dollars) does the federal govt have that the states don't?
Are you saying that in the ACT or some othe federal terroritory the answer to quarantine is to be found?
Yes if states need more input from Canberra let them request it... But what do they want that Sco mo is withholding?
 
Scomo is pathetic to not be taking over responsibility for quarantine. Unless there are legal reasons it shows zero leadership. Vic have shown they cannot do it. For Andrews to want tolimit return traveller numbers shows his hand. He knows it will get out again if his health department is in charge. The politics around it puts us all at risk. Show some balls scomo. Show you are more than just a poll watcher.
The balls scoMo needs to,grow is not to take over Dans troubles but to say Vic you are not up to it. No more quarantine in Vic. Other states will host returning Vicorians. . Dan could get back to his core strengths building tunnels and providing the fire union with another pay rise and a cut in working hours. The rest of the nation could sleep easy..
 
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Scomo is pathetic to not be taking over responsibility for quarantine. Unless there are legal reasons it shows zero leadership. Vic have shown they cannot do it. For Andrews to want tolimit return traveller numbers shows his hand. He knows it will get out again if his health department is in charge. The politics around it puts us all at risk. Show some balls scomo. Show you are more than just a poll watcher.
Scomo is a repeat offender when it comes to not taking responsibility. Pee'd off on holiday during the fires, sits back and takes pot shots at the States over Covid-19 and thinks he is a hero for boning a public servant for handing out watches. When was the last time he showed any leadership in a crisis? Fat prick is too busy holding hands with his happy clapper mates and singing combiarr my lord. He is a stuffen grub.
 
Can you give me some specific examples of how it was handled badly and exactly what YOU would have done to improve the situation?

Please bear in mind things like the UK being a main gateway to Europe, its business infrastructure, the population, the geographical area and London being one of the main financial hubs in the world. Of course, it shouldn’t be limited to these as there are many more.

I look forward to hearing your blueprint for what should have happened, seeing as how it was handled so poorly.
5. UK
(3.85 million cases, 106,774 deaths)
The UK’s high death toll is the result of a dangerously late lockdown, and an administration that was slow to grasp the seriousness of the pandemic.

In the early days of the pandemic, most countries had begun their lockdown process – the UK Prime Minister, however, reportedly missed five Cobra meetings. Almost five weeks after the first COVID-19 case was confirmed in the UK, Boris Johnson announced: “It’s very important that people consider that they should, as far as possible, go about business as usual.”

It wasn’t until 285 people had passed away that Johnson decided to lock down the country. And, not only was the lockdown late, but it was considerably lax – travel restrictions in and out of the country weren’t even imposed until June!

And who could forget about the trainwreck of clumsy mistakes from the UK government? Ministers allowed 25,060 patients to be discharged from NHS hospitals to care homes without being tested for COVID-19, chose to abandon contact tracing at the height of the pandemic in March, and failed to provide adequate protective equipment for front-line workers.

Fast forward to September, and the UK’s ‘Eat Out to Help Out’ scheme backfired massively, with some experts believing that it triggered the country’s second wave. Boris Johnson was also widely criticised for telling parents that it was safe to send children to school on 4 January 2021, despite announcing the closure of these schools only hours later.

Although the UK now has a strong vaccine programme, the main concerns for Brits are the new variants floating about, which are said to have come from South Africa and Brazil.

Looks like Boris’s tactic to “take it on the chin” and “let the virus move through the public” didn’t work so well after all.

 
Can you give me some specific examples of how it was handled badly and exactly what YOU would have done to improve the situation?

Please bear in mind things like the UK being a main gateway to Europe, its business infrastructure, the population, the geographical area and London being one of the main financial hubs in the world. Of course, it shouldn’t be limited to these as there are many more.

I look forward to hearing your blueprint for what should have happened, seeing as how it was handled so poorly.
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“THE NHS SAVED my life, no question,” Boris Johnson said earlier this month, publicly thanking Britain’s beloved National Health Service for successfully treating him for Covid-19 over a seven-day period in early April. “It’s hard to find words to express my debt,” the prime minister said, naming several nurses, and thanking two in particular for standing by his bedside for 48 hours when “things could’ve gone either way.”

Johnson’s speech, which he might have hoped would be lauded for its graciousness, served instead as a reminder that the NHS is a success despite him. When the first cases of Covid-19 in the U.K. were confirmed in late January, Johnson’s Conservative Party government claimed that it was prepared for any eventuality.

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Another investigation, by the Sunday Times, a decidedly right-leaning newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch that has previously swooned over Johnson, calling him a “rockstar,” showed just how casually the prime minister confronted the pandemic. Johnson had skipped five high-level emergency meetings to discuss the virus, the newspaper reported. He insisted, in a manner reminiscent of U.S. President Donald Trump, that briefing reports be as short as possible. He went on holiday to a country estate, refused to work weekends, and attended a fundraising ball.

After his thank-you speech, Johnson retired to Chequers, the lavish 16th century, 1,500-acre manor house used by British prime ministers, where he was photographed strolling the grounds with his pregnant fiancée and their Jack Russell terrier. (The couple’s baby boy was born on Wednesday.) The world was in the grip of an unprecedented crisis, but the U.K. was without a leader.

Johnson’s NHS caregivers, meanwhile, returned to work immediately, and every day, reports stream in of front-line health workers like them who are forced to combat the highly contagious virus in clinical waste bags and plastic aprons. They are asking schools to donate science goggles. They are adapting snorkels as respirator masks. When UNISON, the U.K.’s largest public services union, opened a PPE alert hotline, it was flooded with calls from health care workers who talked about having to buy their own equipment.

Of the health care providers who have died so far, one, Abdul Mabud Chowdhury, a consultant urologist in London, had written a Facebook post appealing to Johnson to protect him and his co-workers. “I hope we are by default entitled to get this minimal support,” he wrote on March 18, five days before he was hospitalized.

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THE FIRST SIGNS that Johnson was out of his depth emerged early on in the pandemic. While repeating that the government was “led by science,” the newly elected prime minister seemed to be pushing a dubious “herd immunity” strategy, hoping that exposure would build immunity among the British public, an outcome that, happily for Johnson, would require no action from his government. The meetings of the prime minister’s scientific advisory board, which strives to impartially inform the government’s response based on science, were attended by his chief adviser. The adviser is said to have actively participated, thereby undermining the neutrality of the process, and raising public concerns that decisions were made to suit political objectives rather than scientific ones.

While Johnson talked about science, his actions were those of a man convinced that he, and by extension, the country he led, possessed the magical ability to escape a disease that had brought much of the world, including neighbors like France, Spain, and Italy, to its knees.

In February, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control had warned that for the most serious cases of Covid-19, health workers would need around 20 sets of PPE per patient per day. The Johnson government was given as many as three opportunities to participate in an EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE. It chose not to. In fact, British officials shipped more than 200,000 units of PPE to China, then lied about choosing not to participate in the EU scheme, claiming they had “missed the emails” despite having attended meetings about the acquisition. In a TV interview, Johnson spoke of how one strategy for confronting the novel coronavirus could be to “take it on the chin.”

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In March, South Korea, Taiwan, and even small Indian states like Kerala had showed how democratic societies, working doggedly, could use a dedicated World Health Organization-approved program of contact tracing, testing, and isolation to contain the virus. Some experts said that given how long it might take to develop a vaccine — as long as five years, perhaps — such a program was the only realistic way forward. New Zealand’s Jacinda Arden and Germany’s Angela Merkel also employed these tools early on; by acting quickly, they saved lives.

These countries’ successful actions were presented to Johnson on a platter. The U.K. had a head start over many others — as much as nine weeks, according to one expert, or the time between human to human virus transmission being confirmed in China and the U.K.’s first known case of local transmission on February 29. But busy with Britain’s departure from the EU on January 31, Johnson ignored every warning and squandered every opportunity to protect his country. Born and bred into the idea that he was exceptional, he endangered himself along with millions of Britons, many of whom imbibed his magical thinking.

On March 16, organizers of the four-day Cheltenham Festival, a horse racing event, cited Johnson’s presence at the rugby match earlier that month as the reason to go ahead with their event, noting that “the government guidance is for the business of the country to continue as usual.” The races attracted some 250,000 people over four days, many of whom have since tested positive for the virus. The hospitals in Gloucestershire, the county where Cheltenham is located, are now among the hardest-hit in the country.

The government also left borders open, allowing flights from Italy, China, and the U.S. without any quarantine restrictions until late this month, long after most other countries had begun to quarantine arrivals. On Johnson’s watch, the U.K. is a staggering example of what not to do.

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The UK economy will shrink by 6.8 per cent as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, and it will take three years to recover. Despite this, the U.K.’s chief Brexit negotiator has made it clear that he will not seek an extension on the December 31 deadline to reach a trade agreement with the EU. If no agreement is reached, the country will be forced to revert to World Trade Organization terms, making it liable for tariffs and border controls that will further strain the economy.

This is something Britain can ill afford. Just three weeks after the nationwide lockdown began on March 23, more than 1.5 million Britons were facing food insecurity, according to a study; this figure includes 53 percent of NHS workers. The study also said that 830,000 children could be going without the free school meals on which they relied because the government had failed to keep yet another promise — to feed children in need during the lockdown.

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THE CURRENT CRISIS has been a decade in the making. Johnson and his Tory colleagues have spent years undermining the NHS, using the excuse of austerity measures to cut salaries and reduce benefits, when in reality they appear to have been trying to push the country toward a U.S.-style private health care system.

In 2011, five Tory members of parliament, three of whom are now ministers in Johnson’s government, published a pamphlet advocating for privatization. According to a Guardian investigation, private firms were given contracts worth £15 billion, about $18 billion, a jump of 89 percent since 2015. In the years that followed, Johnson’s predecessor, Theresa May, scrapped nursing grants, which help nurses with study and living costs, and rejected salary increases, voting to keep nurses’ salaries below the rate of inflation. Johnson, and virtually every other member of the Conservative Party, voted with May and cheered after the votes were announced. May explained the decision to a nurse’s face, saying in her typically bloodless way: “There isn’t a magic money tree we can shake.”

In 2016, the Tory-led Brexit referendum poisoned the atmosphere for EU citizens in the U.K. so much that more than 11,000 immigrant NHS workers, including 4,763 nurses, went back home. “It’s the National Health Service, not the International Health Service,” Matt Hancock, Johnson’s health minister, sneered on Twitter at the time. The outcome of Hancock’s shortsightedness was revealed last month, when he was reduced to begging retired health workers, including those in their 70s and 80s who are most vulnerable to the virus, to return to work to boost staff numbers. (Hancock contracted the coronavirus in March.) One of the emergency hospitals he helped set up to deal with Covid-19 has remained largely empty for lack of nursing staff.

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Johnson, for his part, went out of his way to praise the two immigrant nurses who cared for him while he was ill, one from New Zealand and the other from Portugal. A new scheme aimed at boosting staff numbers during the crisis allows foreign doctors, some of whom are living as refugees in the U.K., to join the NHS, but only as support staff, not as doctors, even though they are fully qualified back home.

And all this time, the Tories were steadily undercutting the national medical stockpile, reducing its value by almost 40 percent in three years while also privatizing its management. The last rehearsal for a pandemic, in 2016, had predicted the health service would collapse, according to the Sunday Times investigation. In the years that followed, the newspaper reported, “preparations for a no-deal Brexit sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning.”

THE DEATH TOLL in the U.K. stands at 26,771 as of April 30, according to the government. (The official figures now take into account deaths in private homes and nursing homes rather than only in hospitals.) A Financial Times analysis of data from the Office of National Statistics showed that earlier figures didn’t account for these additional numbers and that as of last week, according to the paper, the true number of deaths was closer to 41,000.

It is tempting to believe that Johnson’s brush with the virus has taught him humility or that the investigations have shamed him into doing his job. But some NHS workers weren’t impressed by his expressions of gratitude.

“This outpouring of emotion helps the government gloss over the shortages,” one health worker told the BBC. “Calling us heroes just makes it OK when we die.”

On Monday, after three weeks away, Johnson returned to work. At a press conference outside 10 Downing Street, he was in a self-congratulatory mood, speaking of “real signs now that we are passing through the peak.” The numbers suggest otherwise, and there was only a passing mention of PPE.

As the U.K.’s death toll threatens to be the worst in Europe, there really is just one choice. Boris Johnson must apologize, resign, and let a real leader take charge.

 
5. UK
(3.85 million cases, 106,774 deaths)
The UK’s high death toll is the result of a dangerously late lockdown, and an administration that was slow to grasp the seriousness of the pandemic.

In the early days of the pandemic, most countries had begun their lockdown process – the UK Prime Minister, however, reportedly missed five Cobra meetings. Almost five weeks after the first COVID-19 case was confirmed in the UK, Boris Johnson announced: “It’s very important that people consider that they should, as far as possible, go about business as usual.”

It wasn’t until 285 people had passed away that Johnson decided to lock down the country. And, not only was the lockdown late, but it was considerably lax – travel restrictions in and out of the country weren’t even imposed until June!

And who could forget about the trainwreck of clumsy mistakes from the UK government? Ministers allowed 25,060 patients to be discharged from NHS hospitals to care homes without being tested for COVID-19, chose to abandon contact tracing at the height of the pandemic in March, and failed to provide adequate protective equipment for front-line workers.

Fast forward to September, and the UK’s ‘Eat Out to Help Out’ scheme backfired massively, with some experts believing that it triggered the country’s second wave. Boris Johnson was also widely criticised for telling parents that it was safe to send children to school on 4 January 2021, despite announcing the closure of these schools only hours later.

Although the UK now has a strong vaccine programme, the main concerns for Brits are the new variants floating about, which are said to have come from South Africa and Brazil.

Looks like Boris’s tactic to “take it on the chin” and “let the virus move through the public” didn’t work so well after all.


There is also the focus (and this was in midsy's post) about the economy being the driving factor.

Australia (who we know went through a much harder lockdown / border quarantine process), GDP fell around 3.5% I think in 2020. The UK who promoted the economy over health fell a record 9.9% during 2020.

Whilst I understand the issues that the UK faced were a bit harder than Australia (distance to other countries being a major one) border controls have been largely ignored, to allow freedom of movement. They have been left with much longer lockdowns and industry locked down for a far longer period than it would have been had a much more widespread lockdown occurred initially.
 
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If you think the federal govt is incompetent why do you call for them to run the quarantine program?

Simply because I believe it’s their responsibility and they have the resources to make sure we have a coordinated approach across the country. They have told us for the last 20 years that they control who comes into our country - used that to win elections - fair enough so now is the time to step up.

I guess normally I wouldn’t mind but I am a tad frustrated that the feds are happy to criticise but not get in and fix things - we watched in Tas when we had the first big outbreak and the politics from Canberra was to mock the locals even though they had voted for him (marginal seat) in the last election.

My reference to incompetence was in the leadership from Canberra.
 
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I don't understand the criticism to be honest.

It's a virus, it is going to spread in some way shape or form unless you place everyone in bubbles. It doesn't matter what sort of quarantine you run or how much you test it will find a way out.

Given you can't just snap your fingers and create a fully self-contained, purpose build quarantine station with provisions for total quarantine rotation of staff then you have to just manage as best you can.

I would say given the numbers of passengers coming through the quarantine programs have been extraordinarily successful.

The only other options are to not allow any people into the country, which I would see as a terribly unfair situation, or to let the virus run and we've seen how that ends in places like the US.

As for the tennis, how is that argument any different to continuing the footy season?

I agree with a lot of this but there is one point I would pick up on.

It is true that you can't just snap your fingers and build a quarantine station. But it isn't a matter of snapping fingers is it? We have had months of this virus. I have been working from home for 11 months. The projections back in early 2020 were that it would take maybe 2 years to get a vaccine (we've been lucky and got them earlier), by maybe June it was obvious that this was out of control overseas.

It was entirely predictable that we would be trying to sort out how to quarantine returning Australians over 6 months ago.

It simply is not the case that the government, and here I mean the Federal Government, you know, the level of government responsible for our international borders, has not had time to build dedicated quarantine facilities. They have had plenty of time.

The situation is that the Federal Government has shirked responsibility.

What would happen if a state decided tomorrow to let some refugees in? The Federal Government would immediately put a stop to it and cite the fact that international borders are a federal responsibility.

But, when it is not convenient to do so, they just ignore their responsibility.

Quarantine should not be in hotels in the middle of the city. Hotel corridors are not designed for infection control at all. Quarantine needs to move to locations away from large populations.

Good article in The Age this morning:

That damn nebuliser. The nail that sent Victoria back into lockdown​

“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost, ... For the want of a rider the battle was lost, For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.” Benjamin Franklin.

Damn nebuliser.

But just like Franklin’s nail, the unfortunate nebuliser event was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Resilient systems matter. Our hotel quarantine is not resilient enough.

The nebulised mist entered a poorly ventilated room, then wafted onto a poorly ventilated corridor, there the mist was moved around by people perhaps not wearing sufficient personal protection equipment, then wafted into other poorly ventilated rooms and hitched a ride on hapless staff out into Melbourne. And MIGHT now have hitched a ride through an Italian espresso onto planes around Australia.

There are three important steps that need to be taken to improve quarantine:

  1. Get as much of it as possible out of CBD hotels into regional more purpose-specific facilities, such as the excellent Howard Springs. Enough dilly dallying. The federal government needs to lead this, now.
  2. Vaccinate our border staff and quarantine staff ASAP. Urgently. As soon as the Pfizer vaccine arrives.
  3. Quality improvement of what residual CBD hotel quarantine we need. Only use hotels that turn the air over 10 times an hour or more. Only put travellers into rooms with doors or windows that open to the outside – and keep them open as much as possible. Total quality improvement of a complex system. Or reduce arrivals at international borders to that amount that can be done in regional and residual high-quality CBD hotel facilities.
The UK variant is obviously another nail. Another breaking point. This is our reality now. More infectious variants. Roll on the vaccination program.

Our contact tracing is so much better. But sometimes you need to use lockdowns and other restrictions to help get on top of an outbreak.

Will five days of lockdown be enough? No one can answer that. But I am hopeful it will work for Victoria. At least in that time, we will see if and where cases pop up in the community, and tailor control activities accordingly.

My greater concern is that the virus might have hitched a ride on an aeroplane out of Victoria. I sincerely hope not. But hyper-vigilance in the next week outside of Victoria is required.

Professor Tony Blakely is an epidemiologist and public health medicine specialist at the University of Melbourne.

FFS this is just stupid.

DS
 
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