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Harping on about PPE recently, read this article tonight.
Extrodinary that similar standards are not set at all hotels. Unbelievable.
PPE ! the rest is all bs, imo. Smoke & mirrors to deflect away from the failings in HQ.

 
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My understanding Brodders is that any decision on the nebuliser was not referred to health workers or DHHS until the person in question was transferred to a hot hotel after being found positive . At that point it was referred to someone at the Alfred Hospital where the nebuliser was replaced by another device. This is essentially what the patient said in the article that was in the Age on the weekend.
Infection control at the Quarantine hotels is not handled by health dept, it is only at the COVID positive and suspected hotels that is the case which is the decision that I was referring to in an earlier post that to me is wrong.
In that article the patient said even when he got to a hot hotel he was told he could keep the nebuliser but that a call was made to the hospital and that decision was immediately changed.
So, we have the wrong people in charge of the wrong people doing the job? I'm sure I've read that book before? Don't avoid the swear filter.
 
Quarantine is a Federal responsibility, surely they must have some people to do this sort of thing.

The quarantine should have been out of hotels months ago, it isn't like a lot of people haven't been saying this for months, it isn't like quarantine hasn't traditionally been a long way from population centres (like Point Nepean).

4 months to build a quarantine camp? Come on, that's pathetic.

DS
Yes, but, but, but there's the obligatory 3 months of red tape.
 
15 million doses administered in the UK. 50 million in the US. Even Lebanon is off and running !

Australia: big fat zero. (Just like its "leader.")

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Interesting that Pfizer is provisionally approved but AZ, the horse we've hitched our carriage to, is not yet despite us having the closer affinity and involvement with via CSL.
WHO have just approved AZ for emergency use, (only the 2nd drug so far to be approved by them),, the TGA will no doubt approve by the end the week.

At least the TGA cautionary, (tardy), delay in approving has allowed sufficient data to show the optimum interval of the 2nd jab to be 8-12 weeks.

Wish we could all get the Pfizer jab but fact is most will get AZ.

 
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Reading the business press last week, apparently there are early stage conversations going on between the Wagner family - who built and own the Toowoomba-Wellcamp airport - to construct a purpose built, 1300 bed quarantine facility on the airfield land. International flights would land directly at the Toowoomba-Wellcamp airport and arriving passengers would go straight into the facility. He described a facility that resembles Howard Springs in Darwin, but directly on the airport grounds. He says he could have it built and running within 4 months of getting the go ahead.

More importantly, while 1000 beds would be for quarantining arrivals. 300 beds would be for staff, who I assume would work several week stints, staying there, not mixing with the general community between shifts (a bit like fly in fly out mining workers). Going some way to alleviating the major chink in the armour of hotel quarantine that keeps coming up over and over again.

Sure the Wagners are talking their own book and are not doing this purely out of the goodness of their heart. They see a profitable business opportunity. But why has it taken so long for someone to come up with a concrete plan of this type? The Federal government owns heaps of land around the vast majority of our airports. I said on here months ago (as did others) that this exact model should have been instituted across half a dozen of our airports. The Federal Government owns plenty of land to do it.

But I think it goes back to what I said earlier. All eggs were seemingly were put in the vaccine basket. There is this perception among the politicians and the public, that the vaccine is a silver bullet, fix all solution. And as soon as that magic wand is waved, everything goes back to normal. Which clearly will not be the case. Hence why perhaps there haven't been moves for longer term management solutions and facilities. And we've bumbled along with the hotel quarantine temporary band aid. When the elephant in the room is that we likely need a longer term (perhaps years long) management solution with purpose built facilities.
And in this morning's news, Avalon airport is being touted for a similar model to what I discussed above regarding Toowoomba-Wellcamp (albeit on a less grand scale). Again, like Toowoomba-Wellcamp, another privately owned airport.
 
And in this morning's news, Avalon airport is being touted for a similar model to what I discussed above regarding Toowoomba-Wellcamp (albeit on a less grand scale). Again, like Toowoomba-Wellcamp, another privately owned airport.

maybe Morrison has been holding off until his mates gets their shovels ready?

gee, I wonder if service will go down and price go up?

A bit disconcerting really. Howards mates didnt really do so well with aged care.
 
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maybe Morrison has been holding off until his mates gets their shovels ready?

gee, I wonder if service will go down and price go up?

A bit disconcerting really. Howards mates didnt really do so well with aged care.
Yes, not in total disagreement there. I am dubious as to whether there is some cynical rent seeking going on here. Sure, the Wagners have stated over and over again, that they are not seeking any taxpayer's money. And they claim that they will provide the service as a user pays system at no more than the current quarantine programme charges per bed per night. But as you suggest, palming off essential functions to the private sector does have a checkered past, to say the least.

I am far from a leftie socialist (as people probably have gathered from some of my previous posts). But I see privatising things like a national quarantine programme as being akin to privatising national customs and border force. Or when I was in the military, privatising some security functions around defence instillations, which was never that popular among a large chunk of defence personnel. Even ardent conservatives shy away from privatising those types of functions.
 
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2 more CT cases today, you can kiss goodbye to this ending after 5 days. reckon we needed 2 donut days for this to occur.
 
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So, we have the wrong people in charge of the wrong people doing the job? I'm sure I've read that book before? Don't avoid the swear filter.
All I can say is that the Dept of Justice have their own health advisers and infection control advisers who don't work for the Health Dept or for hospitals. They may have in the past, I don't know.

They think that is sufficient but I do know that there are many who don't. That's about all I can say about it to be honest.
 
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All I can say is that the Dept of Justice have their own health advisers and infection control advisers who don't work for the Health Dept or for hospitals. They may have in the past, I don't know.

They think that is sufficient but I do know that there are many who don't. That's about all I can say about it to be honest.
I think I know what you just didn't say.
 
What am I missing? This outbreak is said to be hyper contagious. So far the only cases are close contacts. I was fearful that it could be caught easily through casual contact like at the cafe or bottle shop.
 
Re Dept of Justice (read prisons) they see the world as a security problem not through a health prism.
Each dept would bring their strengths and weaknesses to the table. A multi dept approach would be optimal but as we found out the hard way last year the Vic public sector cannot work cooperatively and the ministers in charge don't have the capability or will to change them.
 
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2 more CT cases today, you can kiss goodbye to this ending after 5 days. reckon we needed 2 donut days for this to occur.

Just reading the article on the ABC website, geez this thing spreads like crazy. But it does still seem to be close contacts of the original cases.

The whole idea of the lockdown is to stop it getting beyond close contacts, but the number of close contacts is a very large number now.

Do we have enough confidence it has not gone beyond close contacts? Have all the close contacts quarantined and gone for a test? Difficult to answer this.

Australian Open finals this weekend so maybe they extend to Friday and then try and open up.

DS
 
I'm hearing lockdown will remain in place until at least 26th February. Not sure how reliable the source is though.
 
I'm hearing lockdown will remain in place until at least 26th February. Not sure how reliable the source is though.
The ring of steel needs to be implemented come Thursday then if this is the case. Regional Victoria needs to be opened up again if there are still no cases.
 
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The ring of steel needs to be implemented come Thursday then if this is the case. Regional Victoria needs to be opened up again if there are still no cases.

That would be reasonable, but they would need a ring of steel as people would want to go for a day trip. Also makes political sense as placates part of the electorate.

Unless they find cases beyond the close contacts will they relax the restrictions anyway?

DS