He was a Las Vegas bookie and sports wagering pundit from the 70's/80's. Reputedly made a lost a fortune on the punt. Made some racially charged comments and was sacked. If someone called you Jimmy the Greek when I was growing it up it meant you were an astute punter (not that there really is such a thing!)
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Richmond have won three premierships in four years. Not sure I even understand footy anymore!
Gladys & Nsw better served by focusing on the present, internal situation rather than lament other states actions. If she 'looked in the mirror', she'll find the other states current responses are reactions to NSW pontifications on other states a few months ago.
No-one manages covid better than NSW as they have shown past 3 days. They back their health system in & no panic like the other states.
What if is mostly accurate?
In other words if the amount of covid positive people being hit by buses is low then the variance is statistically Insignificant.
I can comprehend an approach that asks for a reasonable level of accuracy compared to workload and cost.
Im guessing that most covid positive folks arent doing too much else being an isolation/hospitalisation mix, so it might be 2-3% high?
That’s why there’s crickets here right now. But it shouldn’t have got out of quarantine in the first place so let’s hope that gets addressed immediately.
COVID-19 reaches Antarctica (paywalled)
Coronavirus has now reportedly spread as far as Antarctica.Multiple Spanish-language media reports have stated 36 people stationed at Chile’s General Bernardo O’Higgins Riquelme research base in Antarctica, including 26 members of the Chilean Army and 10 civilian maintenance contractors, recently tested positive.
“Thanks to the timely preventive action,” the Chilean Army said in a statement, according to 24 Horas, “It was possible to relieve said personnel, who, after being subjected to a medical control and the administration of a PCR test... turned out to be positive for COVID-19.”
Some of the people infected were said to have experienced symptoms before testing positive for the virus, the Associated Press reports.
The group were evacuated to the city of Punta Arenas in Southern Chile, where they are reported to be under isolation and in good condition.
this is exactly the case. They have another set of stats which counts the deaths where Covid is listed as cause of death on the death certificate. Public Health England vs Office of National Statistics.
Are official figures overstating England's Covid-19 death toll?
PHE figures include deaths of anyone who tested positive, even if it was months ago
This article explains the distinctions well...
Covid-19: UK sees over 80,000 excess deaths during pandemic
The UK is continuing to see more deaths than expected for this time of year, ONS data shows.
www.bbc.com
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Personally I am worried about Victoria. Not particularly because of what the Government is doing but what the general public is doing. There are too many people acting as if the pandemic is over, poor use of QR codes in shops and restaurants and not enough people wearing masks. We only need one or two cases to come into the community and we are in trouble again.
I really hope I am wrong.
I really hope I am wrong.
Why is the NSW experience so different? Could it be the weather, the more outdoor lifestyle? Or could it be a different less virulent strain of the virus there?
I struggle to understand how they have managed it so differently, and obviously more successfully so far, than us if we have the same virus?
If the virus is so contagious and masks are so effective how come it has not spread in NSW like it did here? They have had serious outbreaks, over 200 cases a day at times. They had a 2 week periods with an average of almost 100 cases a day.
There must be some epidemiological (if that is the right word) explanation other than luck?
I don't know, maybe they just have a better Dept of Health than us, to be honest that wouldn't be hard. I am worried about the whole country really, the contacts will be sky high over Christmas, massive movements between states. Don't forget that since the 2nd wave there has in reality not been a lot of difference in the handling of it between NSW and Victoria. They have had clusters and handled it but so has Victoria.
Perhaps I am just being paranoid, I hope so.
I have a close friend who is originally from Holland and I remember him saying that there was a lot of concern there in the summer that noone was acting like there was a pandemic and the winter would bring trouble and it did. However we have never had their level of issue of course.
Could the difference have something to do with NSW COVID cases occurring amongst the well-off, who can afford to isolate etc, while Victoria's spread happened in low socio-economic areas, often people who don't speak English good, who kept going to work/having large family gatherings. Neither of those situations - other than better non-English communication - has anything to do with government response. COVID is far more likely to spread rapidly if a poor immigrant catches it in a meatworks, goes home to a family dinner of 12, gives it to his brother-in-law, who spreads it to his workmates at his two jobs, etc., etc. Snowball effect. Whereas Bryson and Prue from the northern beaches just have to choose between Ubereats or Deliveroo for a few days.
another factor is the goegraphy. the northern beaches are easy to shut down, with only a few roads in and out. there isnt situations like in the initial 8 suburb, where 1 side of the street is in lockdon, and the other isnt.
hopefully the good resukts can continue.
But from all indications NSW precautions are not as strict, so why should it get out of control again here now when we apparently have the contact tracing and case mgt sorted out?
Good question. Speculation above indicate its been a combo of luck, geography and caste. Nothing to do with government management. Victorians should sleep easy.
Because you are being logical and whilst there is nothing wrong with that logic I am close enough to knowing what is going on to be still nervous about the actual execution of what has to happen if needed. There will be spot fires, almost certainly.
I am also sufficiently cynical about the public sector to not trust its ability anywhere in the country, not just in Victoria.
As I said, I may also be paranoid.
My take is there are 3 main factors, one sh1t and one local and one governance between vic in june and nsw in December.
We now have sewage tests that identify if the virus is in a location. These tests showed there was no virus infection on wed 10th and then by wed 16th there was.
Consider it an early warning alarm.
Critical information to confirm how long the outbreak had been going.
In Vic in june the only information was personal voluntary testing, which seemed to indicate that the cases were steady below 10. In hindsight thats probably misguided.
The other factor is the timing of localised lockdown.
The sydney nthn beaches was in isolation 2 days after cases were over 20.
In Vic nthn suburbs it was around 2 weeks.
It then helps that the northern beaches is naturally isolated so that there would be less mingling with the wider city population comared to Coburg.
We now have sewage tests that identify if the virus is in a location. These tests showed there was no virus infection on wed 10th and then by wed 16th there was.
Consider it an early warning alarm.
Critical information to confirm how long the outbreak had been going.
In Vic in june the only information was personal voluntary testing, which seemed to indicate that the cases were steady below 10. In hindsight thats probably misguided.
The other factor is the timing of localised lockdown.
The sydney nthn beaches was in isolation 2 days after cases were over 20.
In Vic nthn suburbs it was around 2 weeks.
It then helps that the northern beaches is naturally isolated so that there would be less mingling with the wider city population comared to Coburg.
Why are there rules for some and not for others 
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