Coronavirus

[Sintiger]

439 new cases in Vic today and another 11 deaths.

Andrews has announced a $5K for anyone who does not self isolate as instructed. Not good enough Dan; if $1,700 won't do it $5K is unlikely to either. Most of the arseholes who do this can't or won't pay and will clog up the courts for years.

Very soft Dan. Mandatory detention is the only thing these people will understand. No excuses.

I almost feel like the size of the fine is irrelevant because most can't pay I suspect , or won't.

 

[Ridley]

I almost feel like the size of the fine is irrelevant because most can't pay I suspect , or won't.

Exactly.

 

[mrposhman]

That it may be but as you say it doesn't go far enough. It won't deter those people who are inclined to do it. They'll just refuse to pay and take their chances in a court system that will be clogged for ages.

Military base. Mandatory detention for 28 days. No release until a negative test result; maybe even two.

Yeah I agree, 800 out of 3000 is over 25%!

I take this akin to prison to protect society, no different, we want to protect society therefore we must punish isolation breakers. If $'s doesn't matter to them, then we should take away something they do care about which is their freedoms.

 

[Tigers of Old]

800! Time for ankle bracelets.

 

[Ridley]

800! Time for ankle bracelets.

Won't work Oldie. They can still leave the house and infect others; all it will do is notify the authorities that they have done so. Then they will give them a fine that they won't pay.

Mandatory detention is the only answer.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Won't work Oldie. They can still leave the house and infect others; all it will do is notify the authorities that they have done so. Then they will give them a fine that they won't pay.

Mandatory detention is the only answer.

Lock them up then. 25% is absurd. What the hell is wrong with these people?

 

[Ian4]

VIC
New Cases: 398 (439 with 41 reclassified)
Total Cases: 12,335
Active Cases: * not yet updated from yesterday's 6489.
11 deaths (147 Total).
21,000 tests (1,697,953 Total)

NSW
New Cases: 12
Total Cases: 3809
Active Cases: 255 (up 5 from yesterday).
0 deaths (52 Total). Note: NSW Government website says 52 deaths, other sites say 50.
12,876 tests (1,539,739 Total)

 

[spook]

Imagine the field day the "Dictator Dan" hypocrites would have if he started locking people up.

 

[DavidSSS]

Hmm, 439, not as bad as we have had but we need this to come down. I'll update the figures I have been posting in the late arvo when the DHHS tend to update their website. The 7 day average will be up, but not by much, as the day dropping out was lower (359 on 27 July). Tomorrow will likely go up too as 28 July was 277, but then we hit some big days and hopefully we can start a downward trend - it's the trend that matters.

Testing not as high as a week ago but they are still running around 25,000 a day so hopefully picking most of the infections up.

I read or heard somewhere that people were out driving after 8pm to drop people home and the like. WTF? What were people doing visiting others, this is precisely how it spreads. I went out to Nepean Hwy which is near me at about 7.55 last night just to see how many cars were driving along the road. It was about 6-12 per set of lights which is very very low, but you have to ask, why wasn't it the occasional car every couple of sets if lights?

I am trying to get out for exercise each day but the bleak weather should keep a lot of people at home (I may not go out in this weather!).

DS

 

[jb03]

I hope those doing the door knocking have been tested

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Yeah I agree, 800 out of 3000 is over 25%!

I take this akin to prison to protect society, no different, we want to protect society therefore we must punish isolation breakers. If $'s doesn't matter to them, then we should take away something they do care about which is their freedoms.

For years there have been calls of "nanny state" when the reality in Victoria is the opposite. Where else in the world could you hide behind a state's human rights charter and refuse to be tested after returning from a virus-infested country? Victoria wasn't set up to deal with this.

The worry now that the virus has such a foothold is that transmission will hang around, propagated by essential services and those with exemptions.

 

[DavidSSS]

Ok, today's numbers with the usual adjustments going back a week or two:

​	Daily Cases​	7 day trailing ave​
14 July 2020​	222​	211.43​
15 July 2020​	295​	232.14​
16 July 2020​	384​	266.57​
17 July 2020​	211​	255.14​
18 July 2020​	339​	267.14​
19 July 2020​	266​	281.00​
20 July 2020​	327​	292.00​
21 July 2020​	440​	323.14​
22 July 2020​	377​	334.86​
23 July 2020​	289​	321.29​
24 July 2020​	336​	339.14​
25 July 2020​	420​	350.71​
26 July 2020​	503​	384.57​
27 July 2020​	359​	389.14​
28 July 2020​	277​	365.86​
29 July 2020​	682​	409.43​
30 July 2020​	574​	450.14​
31 July 2020​	382​	456.71​
1 August 2020​	636​	487.57​
2 August 2020​	429​	477.00​
3 August 2020​	439​	488.43​

And as a graph going back to July 1:



Not bad, but the trend tells us this is not under control. Hopefully tomorrow a nice decline?

Here's hoping.

Keep well and, handball, don't throw!

DS

 

[bigwow]

Over 700 is early estimate today.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Where are all these infections taking place?

 

[DavidSSS]

Yeah, we really need some good contact tracing and it would be nice to get some info on where the cases are happening even if we can't get contact tracing info. Are they happening in certain suburbs, in certain types of workplace, in aged care facilities? Would be good to know.

DS

 

[Ian4]

VIC
New Cases: 700 (725 with 25 reclassified)
Total Cases: 13,035
Active Cases: 7227 (up 521 from yesterday).
15 deaths (162 Total).
24,000 tests (1,721,953 Total)

NSW
New Cases: 11
Total Cases: 3820
Active Cases: 262 (up 7 from yesterday).
0 deaths (52 Total). Note: NSW Government website says 52 deaths, other sites say 50.
22,087 tests (1,561,826 Total)

* Queensland are closing borders with NSW.

 

[Harry]

Reporting worst day in terms of cases and deaths

 

[Althom]

Very little more the state government can do apart from detaining those who breach the rules.
Up to the Victorian people now and that doesn't bode well given the proportion that seem unable to use their brains.

 

[eZyT]

Im surprised nobody has suggested a big splog of long lasting dye on the head of non-isolaters? The kind banks use on stolen cash and catches robbers red-handed?

Surely then you wouldnt show your face for a while?

Im not seriously suggesting this, but it would be cheaper and more effective (other than possibly burdening the health system further?) than fines or anklets or prison and so surprised it hasnt been mooted.

Really unfathomable that people could be so selfish.

 

[Althom]

"One in 10 people recently told News Corp they were providing fake details when filling out coronavirus forms outside bars and restaurants."
FFS what is wrong with people?