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It wasn't a directive mate, and you know it. Just as a travel advisory is not a directive.

You can keep saying it is but it ain't.

Fine, keep pushing that line. But there are plenty who put themselves in danger and then howl that the government isn't doing enough to help them. Cruise passengers a case in point.

If you're not one of those unreasonable people then good luck to you.
 
Not correct 22. WA is including the sheep ship 20 carriers and most others for the last month, few of them were actually West Aussies.
Victoria has community transmissions, this means we should not open the borders to Vic or any other borderless states available to Victorians. If i was a tosser i would say its all Dans fault. It doesnt help me not say it when he acts like a flog towards SA.
McGowan has done the righty by WA, not sure about Danny for Vic and in turn his impact on Australia.

Dan has got his knee on the neck of the Vicorian economy so we are more than able to call him a tosser ourselves. I have never Been to WA and looks like I won't be heading that way anytime soon. My loss. Did notice that the closed border states had the highest unemployment rates but that could just be a coincidence.
 
As someone based overseas, I would have returned only if work dried up here. Anything else would have resulted in 4 weeks of quarantine (2 in Aus, 2 when I return). It made travelling to Oz near on impossible.
There would hundreds of thousands Australians doing the same... Going with the locals in their temporary or permanent overseas homes. I lived through an outbreak of the plague in India in the 90s, curfews, communal violence, terror, Sometimes you go with the flow., sometimes you run for home. And if there had been mass casualties amongst them we would have heard about it by now.
 
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His post highlighted the word “WANT”, implying that it was both a conscious choice not to return at that time and an assertion of his individual rights.

All of this sprang from the reasonable question “Why are so many people returning from overseas with the virus?”. I’m not sure it’s been answered yet.
That is a very good question ...the rate of positives amongst returned travellers must be massive
Eg 10 on one day out what 1000, 200o In hotel quarantine v 10 out of 5 million free citizens and residents of Victoira. And yet the minute LATTER percentage is what is keeping us from going to work or the gym or to the footy or to visit my wife and mother in residential care.
 
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You're playing with words. The government said if you want to come back, come back now. It's similar to a travel advisory that essentially says if you travel to the Karakorams, you're a d!ckhead. Obviously they are not going to physically come and get you if you decide to ignore it.

Fortunately for those who lingered they are still allowing them back in dribs and drabs.
Seriously you have no *smile* right to judge other people.
An Australian has the right to travel and live overseas and return to Australia when they *smile* well feel like it.
That is part of the law with being an Australian.
Dont like it?
*smile* off to another country.
Try China where they like to order their citizens about.
Go back to East Germany where citizens ratted out other citizens.

It was a *smile* question and you know it.

Australians return to Australia and are quarantined and tested as virus free before entering in the wider population. If they are sick then they are treated and remain in quarantine.
*smile* me dead
 
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Seriously you have no *smile* right to judge other people.
An Australian has the right to travel and live overseas and return to Australia when they *smile* well feel like it.
That is part of the law with being an Australian.
Dont like it?
*smile* off to another country.
Try China where they like to order their citizens about.
Go back to East Germany where citizens ratted out other citizens.

It was a *smile* question and you know it.

Australians return to Australia and are quarantined and tested as virus free before entering in the wider population. If they are sick then they are treated and remain in quarantine.
*smile* me dead

“Level four is the highest possible travel advisory and warns that the Australian government may not be able to assist citizens abroad if they run into trouble. It also advises that travel insurance policies may be void and travellers' health and safety is at extreme risk.

The travel advice to every Australian is 'Do not travel abroad'. Do not go overseas. For those who are thinking of going overseas in the school holidays, don't."

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"As more countries close their borders or introduce travel restrictions, overseas travel is becoming more complex and difficult.

You may not be able to return to Australia when you had planned to.

Consider whether you have access to health care and support systems if you get sick while overseas. If you decide to return to Australia, do so as soon as possible.

Health care systems in some countries may come under strain and may not be as well-equipped as Australia’s or have the capacity to support foreigners.

Many countries are introducing entry or movement restrictions.

These are changing often and quickly. Your travel plans may be disrupted. You may be placed in quarantine or denied entry to some countries.”

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If you ignored that advice and made it back at your leisure, you were lucky.

If you ignored the advice and got corona, you were stupid.

Say hello to David.
 
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Victoria could be on 'tipping point' of second wave, epidemiologists warn (paywalled)
Rachel Eddie
The Age
June 19, 2020


Victorian health officials need to make a difficult decision this weekend: allow coronavirus restrictions to ease further, or dramatically halt plans to reopen more businesses.

Epidemiologists warn Victoria could be on the "tipping point" of a second wave of infections and that plans to relax more restrictions on Monday may need to be delayed if community transmission of COVID-19 continues to rise in the state.

Victoria has recorded 39 cases in the last two days, including eight people who were infected through untraceable community transmission. There are now 81 active COVID-19 cases in the state.

The state's top health advisers appear to be at odds with the government, with Deputy Chief Health Officer Annaliese van Diemen saying the next stage in relaxing restrictions could be in jeopardy.

But Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has insisted the increasing numbers will only affect the further easing of restrictions, not those already planned for June 22.

Premier Daniel Andrews also said he was confident that restrictions due to be eased next week could "slowly, cautiously, safely" proceed.

Gyms, cinemas, indoor sports centres and concert venues are due to reopen on Monday, while cafes, restaurants and pubs will increase capacity from 20 people to 50.

Professor James McCaw, from the University of Melbourne, said it was fair to ask whether Victoria should be loosening the rules on June 22.

"Whether or not we should relax measures further now, it's a very reasonable question to ask," Professor McCaw said on Friday morning.

"The situation in Victoria is hard to understand right now. We don't know if this is the earliest phase of more widespread transmission, or if this is just a statistical fluctuation – a blip."

Cases reported from the last few days would have been transmitted one to two weeks ago, he said.
"So we don't know what's happening right now, and that could be more cases, or it could be fewer, and we don't know and we won't know for another week or two," Professor McCaw said.

If cases continue to rise on the weekend and those cases are not connected to a single cluster, then "that would feel to me strongly suggestive of increasing community-level transmission", he said.

"Because prevalence is so low in Victoria, we would have time to respond, but it would warrant a response. If left unchecked, it could result in heading towards a situation which would be risky.

"But we'll have to wait to see, because a few days is a long time."

He said the suppression strategy was always going to result in some influx in cases, which is why the "slow, cautious approach" is needed.

Catherine Bennett, chair of epidemiology at Deakin University, said community transmission cases caught by routine testing showed "the virus is still circulating".

"I think it's potentially a tipping point if you like, the fact that we're finding more cases through routine testing," Professor Bennett said.

"It's a ticking time bomb, if you like, while we've still got the virus circulating."

But Professor Bennett said case numbers were still low compared to the rest of the world, and Victoria had been aggressively testing the community.

"The numbers are still low, but we are right to worry."

Victoria also recorded 21 new cases on Wednesday, although 15 were returned travellers in hotel quarantine, nine new cases on Tuesday and 12 on Monday.

Dr van Diemen said authorities would not be taking any chances.

"Monday is not that far away. The plan is to continue to ease those restrictions on Monday, but a lot can happen in five days," she said on Thursday.
 
Active cases in Vic 91. A lot more prominence should be given to this number. And number in hospital. which I don't know. The media knee jerk to daily new cases is lazy and misleading (but no surprise in that)
 
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Case numbers alone don't tell the picture. If they can identify the cluster/source of the infection then things are still under relative control. It's when someone gets infected and no one has any idea how, that's when the authorities worry
 
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I'm comfortable with how the state government is handling things. they're looking for a balance between keeping everyone safe and re-opening the economy and encouraging everyone to work from home if possible. 81 active cases is pretty small really.

FYI, I had a COVID test the other day (negative). anyone had one? wasn't very pleasant, wasn't it? :mhihi
 
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I'm comfortable with how the state government is handling things. they're looking for a balance between keeping everyone safe and re-opening the economy and encouraging everyone to work from home if possible. 81 active cases is pretty small really.

FYI, I had a COVID test the other day (negative). anyone had one? wasn't very pleasant, wasn't it? :mhihi
Yeah it's a shocker Bin Man. Only lasts a second or so but certainly not the most pleasant experience.
 
I'm comfortable with how the state government is handling things. they're looking for a balance between keeping everyone safe and re-opening the economy and encouraging everyone to work from home if possible. 81 active cases is pretty small really.

FYI, I had a COVID test the other day (negative). anyone had one? wasn't very pleasant, wasn't it? :mhihi
yeah I had one a few weeks ago. not very pleasant at all...
 
Dan has got his knee on the neck of the Vicorian economy so we are more than able to call him a tosser ourselves. I have never Been to WA and looks like I won't be heading that way anytime soon. My loss. Did notice that the closed border states had the highest unemployment rates but that could just be a coincidence.
We are not allowed to speak of coincidences on this site or thread because....... the closed border states also have the lowest death rates and infections .....oh *smile* i just did it again. Well done WA, SA, Guam and Hawaii.
Got to love a coincidence.
 
We are not allowed to speak of coincidences on this site or thread because....... the closed border states also have the lowest death rates and infections .....oh *smile* i just did it again. Well done WA, SA, Guam and Hawaii.
Got to love a coincidence.

My tip is Hawaii will come up trumps.
Guam so far are doing well and both WA and SA should be proud of what they've done.
But Hawaii are going to ride the 2nd wave to win by a nose