Coronavirus

[tigerhalsey]

The real worrying thing for me in the US is they have previously undersold their mortality and infection rates.

Yesterday New York State changed their reporting of deaths to include another category, probable deaths. Increased by 3k deaths!! Apparantly that's the increase in deaths at home over and above the normal for that time period. That's a very worrying stat and indicative IMO of their healthcare system. The poorer people who may not have health insurance, maybe are not going to hospital for treatment or testing. Whilst it has been stated that testing is free even if they do not have health insurance, treatment is not and therefore the US are still making people choose effectively now over their life or money. Crazy and such an immoral position to have to put people into.

Imagine if they get a mass outbreak throughout somewhere poorer than New York State (and I understand they have poorer areas in NYC such as the Bronx etc) such as Detroit etc. How many people will not go to hospital and will die in their homes. I wonder if the other states will follow New York state in reporting probable deaths.

You might get something like this:

Anonymous tip 'led to the discovery of more than a dozen bodies' at US nursing home

Police responding to an anonymous tip found more than a dozen bodies at a nursing home in north-western New Jersey, according to reports.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Ridley]

728 here in Singapore.

What's happening over there Baloo? They seemed to have a tight grip on it but it appears to have loosened considerably to say the least.

 

[Baloo]

What's happening over there Baloo? They seemed to have a tight grip on it but it appears to have loosened considerably to say the least.

Most of the new infections are happening in the foreign worker dormitories. Singapore relies on a lot of manual labour from Bangladesh, India, Philippines etc. These guys are housed in dormitories, some as large as 30k people. Over 200k in total. The dorms are now deemed isolation zones which means infected cases can remain in the dorms, though obviously they try to segregate, unless their condition worsens and they need hospitalisation. The high numbers we're seeing is partly due to the government concentrating their testing in the dorms.

While the numbers are high, the workers are typically under 40 and physically fit (all manual labourers) so their demographic would suggest a very low fatality rate.

 

[Ian4]

Was equally impressed ezy. Definitely growing in the job.
Been good after a shaky start & getting better.

i have to admit he has improved over time and has learnt from his mistakes from the bushfires. that doesn't make his government immune from criticism. Heads need to roll over the Ruby Princess. Dutton's Border Force and the NSW Dept of Health... I am looking at you. Not to mention the rumours about Alex Hawke and the links to the Hillsong church.

Meh his government is still the most corrupt we've ever had. He's still a hypocrite over sending kids to school.

my concern is that all the scandals leading up to the outbreak (sports rorts, etc) will be forgotten when all of this is over. And the government will use the economic downturn to further attack unions and workers rights.

Daniel Andrews still the big star for me, has the PR game perfected.

I wouldn't go as far as say he's been a star. Andrews is just doing what a competent politician is supposed to do. our opinion of politicians is so low nowadays that anyone who is doing their job properly is considered a "star."

But I do hope Andrews doesn’t go too far with the restrictions now that things are improving. He seems more careful that the other leaders. My gut feel is that VIC will stay in iso for longer than the other states

 

[Ridley]

Most of the new infections are happening in the foreign worker dormitories. Singapore relies on a lot of manual labour from Bangladesh, India, Philippines etc. These guys are housed in dormitories, some as large as 30k people. Over 200k in total. The dorms are now deemed isolation zones which means infected cases can remain in the dorms, though obviously they try to segregate, unless their condition worsens and they need hospitalisation. The high numbers we're seeing is partly due to the government concentrating their testing in the dorms.

While the numbers are high, the workers are typically under 40 and physically fit (all manual labourers) so their demographic would suggest a very low fatality rate.

Thanks for the detailed information. So it would seem that the spread of the virus in the general population is still reasonably under control?

 

[tigermike]

Yep, that's if it hasn't happened already. The Johns Hopkins site now has a US map and all across the middle of the country has a much lower rate of infection, one wonders if it is a result of a lower rate of testing in a lot of regions. The response in the USA is a real worry, I reckon they are behind in testing and there are a lot more cases there and if they open things up it will be shocking.

DS

Could be a lower rate of testing or a different ethnic mix. This virus is hitting the black and hispanic communities very hard (poorer health with obesity, diabetes etc., lower incomes so can't afford hospital care, etc.) along with the states around the coastline much more than across the heart of the US. These states across the centre are also mostly Republican voters and possibly more white anglo-saxon? Trump feels that these voters are looking for a relaxing of the controls and getting back to work because this virus is not affecting them so much. We know his desire for re-election is behind his push to get the states back to work even if it is too early from a health perspective. Just another example of a short-sighted politically motivated approach.

 

[Brodders17]

Case count excluding China (8:30am)

2,095,080 cases
141,962 deaths (6.78%)
56,484 severe (3%)
1,428,395 mild (68%)
468,239 recovered (22%)

while the changes in number may paint some sort of picture, both the overall case numbers, and deaths, and those who have recovered appear to be well below the real numbers.
we know even in Australia, which appears to have pretty good testing, compared to others, only a small proportion of people get tested.

There was a report on England stating only those who die in hospital are counted, while thousands are dying in aged care.

Countries that have been overwhelmed, such as Italy, wouldnt have been able to keep up with cases, while i can only guess how testing and reporting is being done in poor areas of India, Bangladesh etc.

In terms of numbers consider how many Australian were returning from overseas only to test positive once they arrived home.

 

[Brodders17]

To the rest of Aust VIC is known as the nanny state.

No sure about his PR game being perfected, we ridiculously have no golf, no fishing despite being activities where social distancing is simply complied with and the health and well being benefits are huge. Particularly amongst the older generation.

neither are 'essential activities'. while yes people enjoy them, and do benefit, there are many things that people cannot do at the moment, that hopefully we will be able to return soon. the more activities like that that are allowed the more difficult it becomes to monitor, and expect people to understand.

 

[Brodders17]

Did i hear Dutton talking about transparency today?
I should probably put that in the joke thread, surely it was an impersonator taking the *smile*.

 

[bigwow]

Just half heard something on the radio, working, not really paying attention, that cafes etc. could be open again in 4 weeks.

 

[mrposhman]

Just half heard something on the radio, working, not really paying attention, that cafes etc. could be open again in 4 weeks.

I doubt it. Level 3 restrictions in place for another 4 weeks. I would expect restaurants and cafes to be among the last industries to be allowed to re-open. If we keep our numbers low I'd hazard a guess at end of June.

 

[Tiger Rob]

I doubt it. Level 3 restrictions in place for another 4 weeks. I would expect restaurants and cafes to be among the last industries to be allowed to re-open. If we keep our numbers low I'd hazard a guess at end of June.

I hope they go with something like long benches in cafes and restaurants and strict numbers per venue so that you can go in and observe social distancing, with mates or family. Leave one end of the table empty and the waiter/ess can leave plates, drinks there for you to grab one at a time. Something like that anyway. Be good for everyone to have a chance to get out and be really good for the staff to get back to work in some capacity.

Selfish really, but I really really need a night out and pint or twenty.

 

[mrposhman]

I hope they go with something like long benches in cafes and restaurants and strict numbers per venue so that you can go in and observe social distancing, with mates or family. Leave one end of the table empty and the waiter/ess can leave plates, drinks there for you to grab one at a time. Something like that anyway. Be good for everyone to have a chance to get out and be really good for the staff to get back to work in some capacity.

Selfish really, but I really really need a night out and pint or twenty.

Greg Hunt was on the Project earlier and was asked about what they would bring back. He said it would be those with the biggest benefit for mental health and the biggest economic impact. It might include cafes etc that would have limits to the number of people in there, but more likely IMO to be things that have closed down last like all the tanning salons / movie theatres etc. The movies are easy, restrict the number of tickets so socially isolated within the movies and then restrict the number of showings to limit the number that are in the movie hall.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

China tacked on a lazy 1290 deaths in Wuhan that hadn't previously been counted.

 

[Scoop]

To the rest of Aust VIC is known as the nanny state.

No sure about his PR game being perfected, we ridiculously have no golf, no fishing despite being activities where social distancing is simply complied with and the health and well being benefits are huge. Particularly amongst the older generation.

Is that you Sam?

 

[Sintiger]

China tacked on a lazy 1290 deaths in Wuhan that hadn't previously been counted.

The quote I heard was that record keeping and paperwork was chaotic in the early days and they are now catching up the recording of the numbers.
We are going to see more of this. For example the UK is only recording deaths in hospitals and at some stage other deaths will be recorded. I believe the US is the same.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Case count excluding China (updated 11pm)

2,186,911 cases
150,573 deaths (6.89%)
57.407 severe (3%)
1,474,109 mild (67%)
504,822 recovered (23%)

Will add China back in from tomorrow.

 

[tigerdell]

The quote I heard was that record keeping and paperwork was chaotic in the early days and they are now catching up the recording of the numbers.
We are going to see more of this. For example the UK is only recording deaths in hospitals and at some stage other deaths will be recorded. I believe the US is the same.

France had a massive jump a week ago when it added non-hospital deaths. Since then the numbers have been erratic.
As you say its due to a non-systematic recording of deaths in multiple places, which is understandable

 

[Harry]

lol at Americans protesting against the lock down ........ in their cars.

 

[TrialByVideo]

lol at Americans protesting against the lock down ........ in their cars.

Not all of them @Harry !

U.S Presidential Election

yeah dude I hear your arguments and i understand them, I disagree with some of them, but I don't have time for this now.

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