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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Sweden with another 96 deaths. Australia has 2.5 times Sweden's population and has conducted 6 times as many tests, yet Sweden has 1.4 times as many positives and nearly 14 times as many deaths, as well as nearly 8 times as many severe/critical.

Our approach has been altogether more humane and, dare I suggest, more "socialist".
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Never thought I'd see the day L2R2R would link socialism with humaneness ;) Strange times indeed.

One issue we will get in Africa, if the past is any indication, is that we will be relying very much on estimates. AIDS ravaged Africa but a fair number of the estimated cases weren't AIDS but other illnesses which had similar symptoms. I remember years ago reading a Ugandan minister (I think health minister) explaining that they couldn't test large numbers of people for AIDS as the testing would wipe out their whole health budget. They have to prioritise what they spend money on and testing is a lower priority to treating. Hopefully they can keep it out of a lot of Africa as they have a head start.

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Yeah, Sweden seems to be screwing this up. They need to change their strategy 'cos it just ain't working.

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In some positive news, the daily global increase in infections has been under 10% in 9 of the last 11 days. The death rate has also dipped below 10% increase on two occasions. Three weeks ago these were both increasing by about 20% daily. Only good news if the stats are accurately reported, though.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
In some positive news, the daily global increase in infections has been under 10% in 9 of the last 11 days. The death rate has also dipped below 10% increase on two occasions. Three weeks ago these were both increasing by about 20% daily. Only good news if the stats are accurately reported, though.
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Two points:

1. We may be getting to a point where being able to test is the limiting factor. Spread of the virus may be exponential, our ability to test, and confirm is not.

2. Viral spread is only exponential in a theoretical system, and the further in to a pandemic you get, the more the curve levels off naturally.

Put it this way, early on, one person infects three others. Which will be true if the three other people have not had it before. The more people who get it, the less likely that is.

FWIW unless there are way more asymptomatic carriers than we know of, option 1 is more likely at this stage.
 
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DavidSSS said:
Yeah, Sweden seems to be screwing this up. They need to change their strategy 'cos it just ain't working.
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I’m friends with a few Swedes who left to live elsewhere. I said to one ages back “why did you leave, I thought Sweden was progressive”? She said, “yeah, progressively stupid”.
 
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tigerdell said:
By the time that this virus gets to similar levels in India, Indonesia, Philippines, Africa then the country ranking will be significantly different.
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I don't think there'll ever be true figures out of most of these countries. Many places in Africa for example they probably wouldn't even often test whether a death was COVID-19 related. I can't see how many of these countries can avoid a catastrophe.
 
He may have done a lot wrong once the virus arrived in his country but Trump attacking China as lying about the virus initially is smart politically I'll give him that.
Plenty of people believe the CCP caused this global chaos by suppressing the severity of it before it was too late. I'm sure one of them.
It's unforgivable what they did in the early crucial stages of this outbreak.
 
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Case count excluding China (updated 11:30pm)

1,454,229 cases
86,542 deaths (5.95%)
48,319 severe (3%)
1,056,662 mild (73%)
262,706 recovered (18%)
 
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Tigers of Old said:
He may have done a lot wrong once the virus arrived in his country but Trump attacking China as lying about the virus initially is smart politically I'll give him that.
Plenty of people believe the CCP caused this global chaos by suppressing the severity of it before it was too late. I'm sure one of them.
It's unforgivable what they did in the early crucial stages of this outbreak.
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Early in the outbreak, Trump lauded China for its response to COVID-19, tweeting on Jan. 24 that the U.S. appreciated Beijing's efforts and “transparency," even though local Chinese officials initially covered up mounting cases in Wuhan, the city where the virus was first reported. In February, as the virus began to spread in Europe, Trump still refrained from blaming China.
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Then Trump started going after Beijing, repeatedly calling COVID-19 the “Chinese virus." He said he was upset that some Chinese officials had suggested without evidence that the U.S. military transported the virus to Wuhan or that the virus was released from a U.S. lab.
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Trump abruptly stopped calling it the “Chinese virus” shortly after China’s ambassador to the U.S., Cui Tiankai, appeared to split with Zhao, calling the theory “crazy” and saying that it was not for diplomats to speculate.
Now the president is praising Chinese President Xi Jinping again.
“We have a great trade deal and we would like to keep it. They would like to keep it and the relationship is good,” Trump said Wednesday. He noted that some of China's numbers on COVID-19 cases seem a bit “low,” but he insisted his relationship with Xi remained “really good.”
www.chicagotribune.com

Trump praises China on coronavirus, then excoriates them. Calls it ‘the Chinese virus,’ then lauds President Xi.

President Donald Trump has held an unequivocal position about China and the coronavirus — several of them. Trump initially praised China, then excoriated Beijing after it made unsubstantiated…
www.chicagotribune.com www.chicagotribune.com
Like most issues Trump has been all over the place.
 
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TT33 said:
Gee L2 that death % just keeps climbing, I wonder how long until it levels off?
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It'll keep climbing as it spreads into less developed parts of the world (e.g. Algeria 13%) where they will be mainly testing the seriously ill. Will be a good sign when it starts coming down.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
On track to be under 100 new cases nationally for the first time in 23 days. 50 tragic deaths notwithstanding, we are doing very well so far.
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The death toll will rise as the days from infection to death are longer. So even if the numbers of positive tests flattens the death will rise for a week or two yet.

In NSW there are 31 in ICU and 22 or 23 on Ventilators so expect the overall numbers to come down even further....if everyone continues the social distancing
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
On track to be under 100 new cases nationally for the first time in 23 days. 50 tragic deaths notwithstanding, we are doing very well so far.
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Yep all things considered we have done really well. I think our federal and state governments, as much as people will always find ways to criticise them, have done an excellent job in unprecedented and infinitely challenging circumstances.

And it seems the vast majority of the population has taken it on board and fallen into line. I just hope it continues over the Easter weekend; reports of many people travelling to the Mornington and Bellarine Peninsulas and the Great Ocean Road are disheartening.

Now is not the time to take the foot off. We need to keep it up for as long as we are advised to keep this thing contained. If people get complacent again it has the potential to explode.

Staying home really isn't that much to ask.
 
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Baloo said:
Can't find any Italian city in any of the top 50 most polluted cities list. Po Valley does have a pollution problem, but to say it's the worst in the world is as fanciful and linking 5G to COVID-19.
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My apologies, it was Europe. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200406100824.htm

May I ask why, with the mounting information becoming more readily available detailing the detrimental effects the technology behind 5G is having on our health especially in regards to targeting similar areas of weakness in the body as to what is purported by covid19, would you think it fanciful to connect the two?
 
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My apologies, it was Europe. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200406100824.htm

May I ask why, with the mounting information becoming more readily available detailing the detrimental effects the technology behind 5G is having on our health especially in regards to targeting similar areas of weakness in the body as to what is purported by covid19, would you think it fanciful to connect the two?
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If you can find any peer reviewed scientific study linking 5G to whats happening I'll gladly read it.
 
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