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That's the antivax mindset. I also read them saying vaccinated people still transmit and vaccinated people still die - both are true, just in much smaller numbers per capita than unvaxxed people of course . But this is an argument against vaccines for them.

Anyway got my Pfizer booster at a local pharmacy yesterday, no side effects whatsoever. This after two AZ vaccines.
Did you book, or just walk in? Mines due soon, and want to avoid too much buggerising about.
 
Did you book, or just walk in? Mines due soon, and want to avoid too much buggerising about.

@RoarEmotion recommended going the pharmacy network as all the Vichealth centres were booked out til Jan. Got a local pharmacy booking only a few days in advance.

You could try a walk-in somewhere but might be risky....
 
That's the antivax mindset. I also read them saying vaccinated people still transmit and vaccinated people still die - both are true, just in much smaller numbers per capita than unvaxxed people of course . But this is an argument against vaccines for them.

Anyway got my Pfizer booster at a local pharmacy yesterday, no side effects whatsoever. This after two AZ vaccines.
I’ve got my booster booked in. Like you it’s Pfizer after 2 AZs, so hopefully same result. My wife has had 3 Pfizer’s and no side effects at all from any of them.
 
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I had my Pfizer booster yesterday afternoon at Heidelberg Repat. This was 5 months after 2 x AZ. Slightly sore arm but no other symptoms.
I had an appointment booked but there were people just walking in. It wasn’t busy at all. They were giving booster shots to people 4 months after second dose.
 
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yes and if you are vaccinated you have much less chance of being hospitalised and a considerably less chance of being in ICU
There are reports now coming from countries that have high Omicron numbers that there are large numbers of vaccinated people testing positive with virtually no symptoms even to the point where there is a strong suspicion there are positive people in the community who are not getting tested because they have no symptoms at all.
So the message is get your Grandma vaccinated
So we got nothing to worry about then.
 
I've got a couple of weeks, maybe the hubbub will die down?
There will be a raft of people wanting to get their kids done. Also I know plenty of AZ who don’t quite yet qualify for the five months and they will be the ones who really need the booster (assuming they are older). I don’t think it’s something to mess around with. Just make a booking as soon as you can.
 
So we got nothing to worry about then.
Firstly there is no guarantee vaccinated people will not get really sick, they are far less likely to but not guaranteed. It appears likely the omicron is more likely to be occur in vaccinated people than other variants, especially those not boosted, but they don’t get as sick.

We will have a clogged health system full of unvaccinated patients, delayed elective surgery, ambulance ramping and wait times blowing out, people waiting too long for care, undiagnosed illnesses which will have an ongoing effect, staff tied up testing and pathology centres overwhelmed.

is that enough for you to worry about?

No, but the message was it is the unvaxxed that would spread the virus.
Not true, vaccinated people will still get the virus and do so but in smaller numbers and they will pass the virus on

The evidence ( so far not fully proven) is that Omicron effects the vaccinated far less than the unvaccinated but if they get it they can and will still spread it.
 
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Firstly there is no guarantee vaccinated people will not get really sick, they are far less likely to but not guaranteed. It appears likely the omicron is more likely to be occur in vaccinated people than other variants, especially those not boosted, but they don’t get as sick.

We will have a clogged health system full of unvaccinated patients, delayed elective surgery, ambulance ramping and wait times blowing out, people waiting too long for care, undiagnosed illnesses which will have an ongoing effect, staff tied up testing and pathology centres overwhelmed.

is that enough for you to worry about?


Not true, vaccinated people will still get the virus and do so but in smaller numbers and they will pass the virus on

The evidence ( so far not fully proven) is that Omicron effects the vaccinated far less than the unvaccinated but if they get it they can and will still spread it.
Just a question, I am here to be educated. If we have what appears to be a relatively weak form of the virus running and can ramp up vaccines, isn't it then a viable strategy to keep things open, let it spread within willing participants and build a herd immunity?
 
We will have a clogged health system full of unvaccinated patients, delayed elective surgery, ambulance ramping and wait times blowing out, people waiting too long for care, undiagnosed illnesses which will have an ongoing effect, staff tied up testing and pathology centres overwhelmed.
So nothings changed from the last 20 months then?
 
So nothings changed from the last 20 months then?
How can it change TM? The health system was never built for this level of activity and the staff and space is just not available and could never have been in 20 months.

Some people’s expectations of the health system is just *smile* ridiculous. You can’t suddenly train the extra doctors, nurses, scientists and others in that period of time and we can’t import them because every other country is in the same if not worse situation.
 
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Just a question, I am here to be educated. If we have what appears to be a relatively weak form of the virus running and can ramp up vaccines, isn't it then a viable strategy to keep things open, let it spread within willing participants and build a herd immunity?

My GP says the problem with that thinking is you can catch covid over and over. There is no such thing as immunity after a dose of covid. Noone believes in herd immunity any more.
 
Just a question, I am here to be educated. If we have what appears to be a relatively weak form of the virus running and can ramp up vaccines, isn't it then a viable strategy to keep things open, let it spread within willing participants and build a herd immunity?
I am no doctor or epidemiologist Hutstar but there are a couple of posts earlier about this. I had the ability to hear what one of the leading guys is saying in this space and his view was in a way Omicron may be good news for that reason. If it becomes the dominant strain, which is in many places, what will happen is more people will get it but less will get really sick because we are highly vaccinated.

I saw graphs which showed a massive spike in cases in Europe and North America but just a bump in hospitalisations and they were mainly in the unvaccinated.

No one will say it out loud yet because the evidence is not there as scientists/researchers would like it to be but as this person said “ the evidence we have is promising” .

Be careful however because evidence is not complete, there is no guarantee there won’t be other new strains and because Omicron is more resistant to vaccination and it appears that protection from vaccination lasts for less time with omicron we may be getting boosters for quite a while yet. Israel has already approved and encouraged 2nd booster shots.
 
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Some people’s expectations of the health system is just *smile* ridiculous. You can’t suddenly train the extra doctors, nurses, scientists and others in that period of time and we can’t import them because every other country is in the same if not worse situation.

I dunno. We saw a massive increase of expert research epidemiologists in the last 22 months. Maybe the unvaxxed can be treated by Google doctors, plenty of those around too.
 
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I dunno. We saw a massive increase of expert research epidemiologists in the last 22 months. Maybe the unvaxxed can be treated by Google doctors, plenty of those around too.
We have always had lots of researchers in the space Baloo. Places like the Burnett and Doherty have existed for years especially since the HIV epidemic. We just see them more.

Agree on google doctors, some dangerous stuff being peddled
 
We have always had lots of researchers in the space Baloo. Places like the Burnett and Doherty have existed for years especially since the HIV epidemic. We just see them more.

Agree on google doctors, some dangerous stuff being peddled

I was aiming more at the flood of new research epidemiologists found on YouTube, Facebook etc. Sadly they aren't even Google research epidemiologists.
 
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My GP says the problem with that thinking is you can catch covid over and over. There is no such thing as immunity after a dose of covid. Noone believes in herd immunity any more.
This partly true.
After a vax or infection you will have protective immunity to covid, life long in varying degrees.
The problem is that all viruses can mutate and produce new strains. Your immunity will give cover against the new strain but again, to varying degrees.
It means we will all be repeatedly exposed to new covid variants , like influenza, but how much immunity will protect us will be uncertain. It may be completely protective ...but also may give little protection.
We will have herd immunity to the current strains, but may or may not for future strains.
 
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I had my Pfizer booster yesterday afternoon at Heidelberg Repat. This was 5 months after 2 x AZ. Slightly sore arm but no other symptoms.
I had an appointment booked but there were people just walking in. It wasn’t busy at all. They were giving booster shots to people 4 months after second dose.

Well as of 4th Jan 4months it is and then reducing it further to a 3 months interval on the 31st Jan :clap2 . Pro-active for a change, hopefully they get the logistics right this time.