Connors

[GoodOne]

It is our persistance with players like Connors, Gourdis, Meyer, Pettifer, Hyde, Jackson, White, Casserly types who remain on our list despite proving they are not up to AFL level that is holding us back. How long do you need to hold onto a small player before you cut them? If they havent shown something by 22 chances are they wont

Wow I vote you hindsight king. Maybe your argument would be fairer if you also named players we did keep who did make an impact when at times it appeared they would not make it. Have a list handy? Gourdis and Meyer were handled properly, didn't make it, moved on. Of the more recent players yu listed I do question White but I understand why Jackson has been getting games in the past, and that's because of our prior bad list management and lack of players in certain age groups. And I agree in the bad old days we kept poorer players for far too long. But as I said, Connors is on the list. If we're going to reward performance as has been suggested then based on form and attitude THIS season, Connors is a good chance. Sure if they haven't shown something by 22 they probably wont, but there are exceptions, and in fact of recent times, clubs have realised this thus the influx of mature aged recruits.

 

[GoodOne]

Agree entirely. Once he is out on the field i will support him 110% but how many chances can one bloke have? Maybe need to get Cousins back to give him another to the chops to bring him back to earth a bit

Pretty ironic using Cousins as the moral judge. Reckon Cousins might have benefited from a few whacks himself in his younger days.

 

[Sintiger]

It is our persistance with players like Connors, Gourdis, Meyer, Pettifer, Hyde, Jackson, White, Casserly types who remain on our list despite proving they are not up to AFL level that is holding us back. How long do you need to hold onto a small player before you cut them? If they havent shown something by 22 chances are they wont

Lot of different cases on that list. The issue for me is that i believe that out of all of them Connors has the most ability. You may not agree but that's just an opinion, as mine is.

Gourdis was delisted whilst still contracted. Probably held for a year too long.
Meyer delisted in 2008 at age 22.
Casserley delisted in 2008 age 21, never played a game.
Pettifer was given a new contract at the end of 2007 after kicking 99 goals in the previous 3 years and then spent that last 2 years mostly injured and was delisted at the end of his contract. Whether his faults outweighed his positives is a matter of opinion.
Chris Hyde I agree.
Matty White I probably agree.

Connors was given a 2 year contract at the end of 2010 after averaging 23-24 possessions in 14 games and having by far his best season. I ceratinly supported retaining him then, he was 21 when he was re contracted.

 

[Baloo]

According to The_General we had all but delisted Connors last year but Thursty's retirement saved Dan. It doesn't sound like the club sees or values him as a senior player in any way shape or form if they were prepared to delist a contracted player.

 

[Sintiger]

According to The_General we had all but delisted Connors last year but Thursty's retirement saved Dan. It doesn't sound like the club sees or values him as a senior player in any way shape or form if they were prepared to delist a contracted player.

Who is The General ?

I heard an interview with Craig Cameron in Trade week and he said that Connors had said that if a trade could be done he wouldn't object but that he was happy to stay otherwise. Cameron said in the interview that if there was no trade done then Dan would be a Richmond player in 2012.

Something may have changed after that, who knows?

 

[Tigertool]

Who is The General ?

I heard an interview with Craig Cameron in Trade week and he said that Connors had said that if a trade could be done he wouldn't object but that he was happy to stay otherwise. Cameron said in the interview that if there was no trade done then Dan would be a Richmond player in 2012.

Something may have changed after that, who knows?

Then he got banned from the club, again, for 12 weeks and missed the trip to Arizona. That would have definitely changed things.

He is at the bottom of a very steep hill. I'm confident he can still make it.

 

[Baloo]

Who is The General ?

I heard an interview with Craig Cameron in Trade week and he said that Connors had said that if a trade could be done he wouldn't object but that he was happy to stay otherwise. Cameron said in the interview that if there was no trade done then Dan would be a Richmond player in 2012.

Something may have changed after that, who knows?

Ask him yourself. He seemed to have all the facts at hand.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28030.msg1422328#msg1422328

 

[Eric]

Wow I vote you hindsight king. Maybe your argument would be fairer if you also named players we did keep who did make an impact when at times it appeared they would not make it. Have a list handy?

Ill give you a few who have....

Rance was written off here by many
Tuck likewise
King (hasnt made it as such but certainly has made more of a career than his talent suggested he would)

I honestly cant think of too many others in the last few years.

Rance is a KPP and you have to give them more time. King and Tuck are both fierce with their attack on the footy. Something Dan isnt.

Your welcome to add to the list if you wish.

Gourdis and Meyer were handled properly, didn't make it, moved on. Of the more recent players yu listed I do question White but I understand why Jackson has been getting games in the past, and that's because of our prior bad list management and lack of players in certain age groups. And I agree in the bad old days we kept poorer players for far too long. But as I said, Connors is on the list. If we're going to reward performance as has been suggested then based on form and attitude THIS season, Connors is a good chance.

His form this season has been ok without being outstanding by any stretch of the imagination. Go back and read all the Coburg reports. In two games Dan has kicked four goals but in both of them he was said to be an impact player rather than a consistent one.

Sure if they haven't shown something by 22 they probably wont, but there are exceptions, and in fact of recent times, clubs have realised this thus the influx of mature aged recruits.

The one consistent factor with all the mature age recruits is that they work hard and have proved through years of good football that they have the desire to succeed. Connors walks around the place like a millionaire whilst in reality he has accomplished 3/4 of stuff all.

 

[Sintiger]

Ask him yourself. He seemed to have all the facts at hand.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28030.msg1422328#msg1422328

I don't believe any "facts" I read here Baloo, including the ones I post myself

 

[Sintiger]

Connors walks around the place like a millionaire whilst in reality he has accomplished 3/4 of stuff all.

I just don't know how you know that. Do you or are you just guessing?

My one face to face contact with him was not long ago at a game when he was talking to a group of people at a break including some who were with me. He was polite, humble and good natured. He was happy to talk and have a few photos taken.
That's all I can judge him on really.

 

[tigs2010]

I don't believe any "facts" I read here Baloo, including the ones I post myself

 

[GoodOne]

His form this season has been ok without being outstanding by any stretch of the imagination. Go back and read all the Coburg reports. In two games Dan has kicked four goals but in both of them he was said to be an impact player rather than a consistent one.

Do you know how many games Dan has played this year? I'm guessing not. Also what do you mean by impact player? Most forward line players are impact players. That's what you want out of a forward, making an impact, kicking or setting up a couple of goals. Your latest reply has lost me.

 

[Ghost of 29]

According to The_General we had all but delisted Connors last year but Thursty's retirement saved Dan. It doesn't sound like the club sees or values him as a senior player in any way shape or form if they were prepared to delist a contracted player.

This isn't quite correct. Clubs HAVE to make space on the list and sometimes would be forced to delist a player who they feel is still a chance to be a competent AFL player. I suspect Dan falls into this category.

 

[Eric]

Do you know how many games Dan has played this year? I'm guessing not. Also what do you mean by impact player? Most forward line players are impact players. That's what you want out of a forward, making an impact, kicking or setting up a couple of goals. Your latest reply has lost me.

Has played 5 games. Stop trying to patronise me. I mean in every match report i have read the coaches have commented about him lacking fitness and doing nothing for 3/4 of the game but having a decent quarter. Not good enough at AFL level.

 

[Rosy]

I rated Dan as a player but suspect his days might be numbered at Tigerland. Has burned a few bridges unfortunately. Not the best of attitudes and doesn't set a good example with such a young list coming through.

 

[poppa x]

I rated Dan as a player but suspect his days might be numbered at Tigerland. Has burned a few bridges unfortunately. Not the best of attitudes and doesn't set a good example with such a young list coming through.

Agree.

My one face to face contact with him was not long ago at a game when he was talking to a group of people at a break including some who were with me. He was polite, humble and good natured. He was happy to talk and have a few photos taken.

He's a pleasant guy when he's sober.

 

[linuscambridge]

I rated Dan as a player but suspect his days might be numbered at Tigerland. Has burned a few bridges unfortunately. Not the best of attitudes and doesn't set a good example with such a young list coming through.

Interesting Rosy that the perception on here is very negative towards Dan. Shane Edwards said in his interview that he tries to emulate Conners in his approach to the game because his preperation is so good. And desptie his party boy antics, he did get injured a couple of pre seasons ago through doing extra work and overtraining.

My perception of him is that when he lets his hair down he does not know when to stop, he has admitted to having some issues with drinking, he may well be the Jekyll and Hyde type. Great around the club during the day, a nightmare after hours when he gets on the turps.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Interesting Rosy that the perception on here is very negative towards Dan. Shane Edwards said in his interview that he tries to emulate Conners in his approach to the game because his preperation is so good. And desptie his party boy antics, he did get injured a couple of pre seasons ago through doing extra work and overtraining.

Edwards must be taking the *smile*.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Edwards must be taking the p!ss.

How would you know what's Dan's preparation is like?

 

[linuscambridge]

How would you know what's Dan's preparation is like?

I think he was taking the *smile*.