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- Thread starter Tigers of Old
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No one seems to want to face this unpleasant fact. "Just find a new major trading partner" seems to be the preferred solution.
Yeah, given the state of the economy post Pandemic you can see the Feds will do squat. Without other countries supporting the "independent inquiry into Wuhan" that will fall away - only Trump wants that as blame shifting exercise pre-election for him. Big business and the states will still cut deals with China, because they need the money.
I'm all for degrowth and trying to fix the planet but can't see it happening. Remember pre-election Scomo said we can't do anything about the environment or climate change because "jobs". That mantra won't change if we are talking about ditching our biggest export trading partner because of a virus that originated there.
And us good little consumers will still buy iPhones and flatscreens from China.
I'm all for degrowth and trying to fix the planet but can't see it happening. Remember pre-election Scomo said we can't do anything about the environment or climate change because "jobs". That mantra won't change if we are talking about ditching our biggest export trading partner because of a virus that originated there.
And us good little consumers will still buy iPhones and flatscreens from China.
I get it - it will be hard and economically painful to find a new major trading partner. But what is your buy-out price for maintaining your flat-screen, Audi driving, golfing weekend lifestyle?
China's One World One Dream 2049 goal, its "China against the World" policy doesn't provide for Australia's long term interests and we can't rely on the US to defend us if push comes to shove. China is building fake islands in the ocean to spuriously claim entitlement to important shipping routes and 1.3 million square miles of the South China sea. How long before the CCP decides to take over a neighbouring country or two, claiming that they are also entitled to do so?
I'd rather not support that ideology or send them our country's resources to be able to advance their totalitarian dream. I understand that view upsets the mega-rich in Australia who have personally profited up the wazoo from a relationship with China, but those people, like Twiggy Forrest can GAGF. It's time Australia looked out for the interests of all Australians, now and in the future.
China's One World One Dream 2049 goal, its "China against the World" policy doesn't provide for Australia's long term interests and we can't rely on the US to defend us if push comes to shove. China is building fake islands in the ocean to spuriously claim entitlement to important shipping routes and 1.3 million square miles of the South China sea. How long before the CCP decides to take over a neighbouring country or two, claiming that they are also entitled to do so?
I'd rather not support that ideology or send them our country's resources to be able to advance their totalitarian dream. I understand that view upsets the mega-rich in Australia who have personally profited up the wazoo from a relationship with China, but those people, like Twiggy Forrest can GAGF. It's time Australia looked out for the interests of all Australians, now and in the future.
Part of the problem is you can't buy these things from anywhere else.
So much for choice under capitalism, I don't have the option to source goods from countries who pay decent wages, have good health and safety and environmental policies.
As for the CCP, communist in name only, Deng Xiaoping's reign shifted that country to a clearly capitalist economy. They just use the label "communist" or "socialist" to justify authoritarian rule on some flimsy pretext that they are ruling on behalf of the workers. It is just a branding exercise.
DS
The uncoupling isn't going to happen tomorrow but it has to start.
Otherwoise keep bending over Australia.
Otherwoise keep bending over Australia.
Yes you do, unfortunately no one will pay for them. Plenty of alternative factories around, right now China is still the cheapest.
Oh really, find me a smart phone not made in China, Korea etc.
Same goes for a computer, DVD player etc. All of these are made in low wage economies, there is no choice.
DS
DS I can sell you a smart phone not made in China. No problemo. Just wire me the money and pronto!
Its a smart one
And because there is a special shipment heading your way, I can also include a computer, tv, netflix recorder. Any device you want.
No exploitation of workers or the environment.
Just give me the money and I will sort out the rest.
I'd happily buy something made in South Korea over China. Samsung, LG etc have all made huge leaps in product quality over the past 20 years or so. They match the Japanese in many areas. Still not convinced on South Korean cars but they have also come along way in the past 20 years. Hyundai and Kia (sister companies) are regularly top 5 in sales in Australia. A stronger focus on trading partnerships with Japan and South Korea would be a good idea IMHO.
That said, many South Korean and Japanese companies also make product in China. The solution to the China issue is much easier said than done unfortunately.
Can't see how there is anything to that theory. The Yanks have been more scathing of China than anyone; Trump suggesting there is evidence pointing to the virus escaping from a Wuhan lab as opposed to a wet market.
If they were punishing Australia for its views on an investigation then they'd be even less likely to deal with the Yanks.
The problem is that the phones made in Sth Korea, or Japan, are full of components that are made in China.
Yep that's true. Also, I think the South Korean and Japanese TVs (Samsung, LG, Panasonic, Sony etc) all have the LED/LCD panels made in China.
China is buying US barley after placing huge tariffs on Australian supply. China also placing more orders for Russian beef. China also debating the Iron Ore situation with Oz. America is in talks about cancelling F35 contract with Australia which means 5000 jobs gone. Remember Trump above all is a businessman.
I hope Aust (& others) look elsewhere. break this high dependency as much as possible. Not saying complete break either
One idea one of my friends had to this issue, is to help countries with high employment to build new industries to replacing what China manufacturer.
Eg look at South Africa or some countries in South America. Just a thought.
One idea one of my friends had to this issue, is to help countries with high employment to build new industries to replacing what China manufacturer.
Eg look at South Africa or some countries in South America. Just a thought.
China has also had a fair crack at New Zealand this week.
www.newshub.co.nz
'Stop making wrong statements': China warns NZ that further support of Taiwan may 'damage' our relationship
China strongly rebuked New Zealand following comments regarding Taiwan's inclusion in the WHO.
www.newshub.co.nz
Four corners investigations have given a plausible transfer mechanism from bats to wild animals to these wet markets where the animals are kept close together and then slaughtered for food using unhygienic methods leading to human infection and then spreading to other humans. The tough part is getting China to stop this illegal animal trade or even make these markets more hygienic places to work in. Closing them down permanently does not work, its been tried before then relaxed. We can't go through this again but I fear we might, very soon, unless pressure can be put on China to get their cooperation but without them 'losing face'. Could be mission impossible. Who's friends with China?...North Korea! They wont be much help, they have not declared any cases yet, let alone any deaths, so the virus has not touched them at all!!! Hmm...must be 'cause no visitors go there.
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