Changes v Lions qualifying final

[zippadeee]

Us

 

[zippadeee]

Brisbane

 

[kiwitiger]

Trying to predict what will happen is guess work anyway,

I’m predicting it will be close , and the team that executes better under pressure and holds their nerve wins ,

I think that is key , I’m fairly confident we will handle the pressure, with them I’ve got no idea,

We handled it well in 2017 , but we didn’t the years before that

 

[artball]

speaking of "successfully bullying us" ... i watched the game again and there's a moment where Bachar goes down and the ugly dude (robinson?) and another lion are on top of him. the ugly dude claims it but it looks like he barely got Houli... thought it indicative of Brisbane that day - plenty of hot air but no real guts ..

 

[Jason King]

I hope the club doesn’t have this type of dismissive confidence.

1. Did you see any Richmond player tackle with the same intent as Brisbane’s top 5 tackles?

2. Did you see Brisbane knocking us over after every single marking contest? Watch the annoyed look on the Richmond player’s face as he appeals to the umpire every time (and proceed to kick less effectively, usually)

These are small signs, but on a spectrum from 2017 Richmond-like pressure on end end to GWS-like skills-based football in the other end, I’d like to see us closer to the Richmond end of that spectrum than where we were in Round 23.

Brisbane are further along that line than we were and they’ll go into this game confident and feeling like they’ve got us beat physically - and they’ll know they can match it on the scoreboard at the MCG, let alone the Gabba.

This fight within the fight is crucial... I wouldn’t dismiss it just because our players smiled while getting smashed.

Look at Rayner’s intent. There’s a tribal hunger amongst their group right now that will not die unless we stand up, arch out our chest, and lock horns with more ferocity than them.

This is what bothers me at times with our side. We dont go in with mentality. Tackles should (fairly) hurt the opposition and they should be intimidated. That hunger, the pressure and the hardness is so important.

 

[123cups]

Sorry, kid. You're posting nonsense. They threw everything they had at us - hence the intensity and intent in tackles etc. We held them at arms length, in third gear, missed half a dozen sodas, and won by five goals. There is no chance we will be complacent and won't come out with September intensity.

Rayner? Did he get a kick?

I agree we were the better team on the day and could’ve won by more. I just thought Brisbane were the more vicious and nasty of the two large animals that collided.

This is also from an observation I’ve held for a while. I think we’re playing the best pure football we’ve ever played, but that chip on our shoulder hasn’t been as large, probably ever since the team universally earned everyone’s respect from mid-2018 onwards.

Brisbane reminded me how hunger looks when you’re starved of success.

Like us against Geelong in 2017, Cotchin said he knew we could beat them after that 3-4 goal loss at windy Kardinia Park late in the season. We couldn’t wait to play them again to break a 10+ year hoodoo.

Brisbane will feel the same. Same type of loss away, same hoodoo.

We’ve won 15+ games in 5 of the past 7 seasons.

Made finals in 6 of 7
Made top 4 in the past 3 years in a row, including a flag and a minor.

I thought Brisbane look visibly hungrier than us regardless of how the game was being played. We might win on pure football, and we might even break them - but alongside whatever happens on the scoreboard, I’d love to see a little more vicisousness and nastiness in the way we go about it.

 

[year of the tiger]

Brisbane will be full of confidence after they successfully bullied us on the MCG and kept the scores level for 3 quarters.

On the replay, Brisbane are knocking us over after every mark, gave us corkies, tackled like UFC fighters. It’s as unsociable as Hawthorn 2008 or Bulldogs 2016. They will beat us next week if we aren’t serious about one aspect of the game above all else: Winning the fight within the fight.

Richmond vs Geelong 2017 told a similar story. It’s scarily similar.

However, the difference between us and Geelong is it’s too early in our story to hand over the reigns to another young king of the jungle just yet. That’s what this battle represents though from the outside.

I agree with tigerlove - thought they tried to bully us and threw a couple of punches (figuratively) in the second and third, but once we’d had enough of this, we put out our foot down in the last quite easily - I thought we won two qtrs and they won the middle two.

I would be surprised if they let us jump them this time so easily in the first but I wouldn’t be surprised if our last quarter has the same result.

Their only upside for them is if we let Cameron get of the leash or the umps buy into the hype around him and Grimes.

We play the Gabba really well, we have travelled really well this year and we have something to prove which points to another comfortable 5 goal win.

I liken that game to a little kid who jumps around throwing a few fluffy punches thinking this is all a bit easy, but once they get a couple of short arm jabs on the chin might make them think a bit differently.

I could be wrong but my take is the media are more of “hoping” they get up rather than “expecting” them to.

 

[tigertime2]

Place in the Prelim at stake - we will CRUSH them.
Welcome to the Big league.

 

[123cups]

I am also amazed about how the Lions have a sniff, that they know they can go with us, they dominated the stats etc

They can't play much better than they did, statistically. They need to convert better but the reason they couldn't is that they haven't played a defence as good as ours. Our defence is that good that we can lose the statistical game and still win.

If there's a team that can improve it's us. We can improve the possession numbers and we can improve our conversion.

The only way we lose this game is if our defence doesnt work and that hasn't happened since the Adelaide game.

To look at the other side, Brisbane can play better because they have two weeks of review, so they could learn to capitalise on their statistical dominance.

They also kicked their lowest score for half a season, so that probably won’t happen again.

Hopefully our pressure goes up another gear and we hit them harder than they hit us. I’m confident we’ll win on the scoreboard if we win the fight.

 

[Baloo]

Can't help but believe we put 2 gameplans into effect in Rd 23. Q1 we played our game and we quickly put them away. Q2 onward we flipped to playing a game style designed to nullify Brisbane, rather than concentrate on our way. Depending on how the final plays out we now know we can flip back and forth depending on what's needed.

When the Lions came within 7pts in the 3rd, we flipped over to our gameplan for a while and pulled away again.

We didn't have a bad day, our players didn't have bad games. But they were playing a containing style. The fact Lions had the better of the glory stats doesn't matter much. The two that stick out for me is 1% where we smashed them, and marks inside 50, convincingly best them there too.

Come Sunday as long as Dimma gives the it's head, we'll win this in a canter

 

[jokershoppe]

REPORTS coming in that nank has pulled up well from his VFL game,should be a important in.

 

[eddazol]

In Nank
Out Balta

 

[spook]

I agree we were the better team on the day and could’ve won by more. I just thought Brisbane were the more vicious and nasty of the two large animals that collided.

This is also from an observation I’ve held for a while. I think we’re playing the best pure football we’ve ever played, but that chip on our shoulder hasn’t been as large, probably ever since the team universally earned everyone’s respect from mid-2018 onwards.

Brisbane reminded me how hunger looks when you’re starved of success.

Like us against Geelong in 2017, Cotchin said he knew we could beat them after that 3-4 goal loss at windy Kardinia Park late in the season. We couldn’t wait to play them again to break a 10+ year hoodoo.

Brisbane will feel the same. Same type of loss away, same hoodoo.

We’ve won 15+ games in 5 of the past 7 seasons.

Made finals in 6 of 7
Made top 4 in the past 3 years in a row, including a flag and a minor.

I thought Brisbane look visibly hungrier than us regardless of how the game was being played. We might win on pure football, and we might even break them - but alongside whatever happens on the scoreboard, I’d love to see a little more vicisousness and nastiness in the way we go about it.

It was a home and away match, mate. You think our blokes aren't hungry after last year? September is a different beast. We've seen their best, their hardest, their most committed. They haven't seen ours. But they're about to.

Our boys have been waiting a year for this month. Everything else has just been about getting there. We are about to dial up the ferocity to 11. Trent Cotchin won't play 10 minutes of footy halfway through the third quarter, he will smash whoever is in his way from the first bounce. And the rest will follow suit. Dusty was at 80%, look out Saturday night.

People keep drawing parallels between Brisbane/us - us/Geelong. The difference is that we played terribly in that R21, 2017 match, lost Caddy in the first quarter, and went down by 2 goals at a ground they win literally 90% of games at and is completely foreign to us in shape and size. The Gabba is almost identical to the G. We were a better team than Geelong in 2017, which we proved a few weeks later. Brisbane is not better than us. They're not better than 4 or 5 teams, I reckon.

Their lack of finals experience will count against them. Hodge and Fagan can't make up for that.

We will win, probably by a similar margin. I will be shocked if we don't.

 

[spook]

To look at the other side, Brisbane can play better because they have two weeks of review, so they could learn to capitalise on their statistical dominance.

They also kicked their lowest score for half a season, so that probably won’t happen again.

Hopefully our pressure goes up another gear and we hit them harder than they hit us. I’m confident we’ll win on the scoreboard if we win the fight.

Richmond has had two weeks of review, too.

They also kicked their lowest score for half a season because they played a defence that has conceded more than 10 goals once in the second half of the season, to a side that was kicking them out of their backsides.

 

[fastin bulbous]

all the media attention and tuff guy rev up will jest get their minds off their natural game. I expect them to pop, deflate and dissolve over 4 quarters

 

[123cups]

It was a home and away match, mate. You think our blokes aren't hungry after last year? September is a different beast. We've seen their best, their hardest, their most committed. They haven't seen ours. But they're about to.

Our boys have been waiting a year for this month. Everything else has just been about getting there. We are about to dial up the ferocity to 11. Trent Cotchin won't play 10 minutes of footy halfway through the third quarter, he will smash whoever is in his way from the first bounce. And the rest will follow suit. Dusty was at 80%, look out Saturday night.

People keep drawing parallels between Brisbane/us - us/Geelong. The difference is that we played terribly in that R21, 2017 match, lost Caddy in the first quarter, and went down by 2 goals at a ground they win literally 90% of games at and is completely foreign to us in shape and size. The Gabba is almost identical to the G. We were a better team than Geelong in 2017, which we proved a few weeks later. Brisbane is not better than us. They're not better than 4 or 5 teams, I reckon.

Their lack of finals experience will count against them. Hodge and Fagan can't make up for that.

We will win, probably by a similar margin. I will be shocked if we don't.

Great points, can’t argue with that!

 

[TigerPort]

We will beat Brisbane and then either GWS or Bulldogs will beat them the following week.

 

[spook]

We will beat Brisbane and then either GWS or Bulldogs will beat them the following week.

That's what I reckon.

 

[Smoking Aces]

These are all excuses to convince ourselves we’re naturally better than them.

Brisbane matched us for 3 quarters at the MCG, beat us in every key statistical measure (which isn’t necessarily that important for our game plan, but it’ll give them confidence), and they’ll go into this game with a highlight reel of Brisbane players smashing Richmond players while Luke Hodge is in their ears egging them on like Hawthorn of 2008.

We also had zero tackles inside our F50 by 3QT off memory.

I do believe we’re the better team, but the psychological scales are heavily in their favour going into this game.

It’ll take a lot of character for us to beat them again, so when I see pages of posts full of excuses and dismissive confidence it has me worried.

Finals experience will not be a clear advantage to us, as they’ve got Hodge and a coach harping on about finals being no more important than any other game. It’s brilliant coaching and leadership, and that’s before Brown/Matthews pop their head in the door.

Yet they were comprehensively beaten by 5 goals. They threw the kitchen sink at us and we barely got out of third gear.

You honestly think we wont lay a tackle in our F50 this week?

They can talk it up all they like. It will mean nothing come the first bounce. We have been to the top and know how to get there. We dont have to worry about one liners from fiction movies to motivate us.

 

[AngryAnt]

These are all excuses to convince ourselves we’re naturally better than them.

Brisbane matched us for 3 quarters at the MCG, beat us in every key statistical measure (which isn’t necessarily that important for our game plan, but it’ll give them confidence), and they’ll go into this game with a highlight reel of Brisbane players smashing Richmond players while Luke Hodge is in their ears egging them on like Hawthorn of 2008.

We also had zero tackles inside our F50 by 3QT off memory.

I do believe we’re the better team, but the psychological scales are heavily in their favour going into this game.

It’ll take a lot of character for us to beat them again, so when I see pages of posts full of excuses and dismissive confidence it has me worried.

Finals experience will not be a clear advantage to us, as they’ve got Hodge and a coach harping on about finals being no more important than any other game. It’s brilliant coaching and leadership, and that’s before Brown/Matthews pop their head in the door.

meh