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Carltony
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Baloo said:
Me too Baloo.
I just wish the Fed's or State governments tax the arse out of them or make licences so prohibitive that it's not worthwhile to have them operating.
willo said:
The Government are full of it - they will never ban the things as they rely too heavily on the taxes from them. I know this first hand as I worked in this area in a Gov Department for quite some time. The only ones that wants them gone are Nick Xenophon and Tim Costello and they hold no control over the outcome.
Pokies are evil things and they should be banned for many reasons.
tigerlee said:
For fear of hijacking the thread... But...
Pokies aren't evil. Like alcohol, other forms of gambling, tobacco and cigarettes. It comes down to the individuals.
None of these will be banned as you rightly say, governments make too much off taxing them.
But don't hate the (insert theme here). It's the people that need help and education.
I do believe governments can do way more to educate.
I drink but not to excess. I don't gamble much at all but I have. Ive done recreational drugs like a lot of ppl but im not addicted. I smoke but not a pack or more a day.
It's about the individual and education and assistance.
Pokies aren't evil. Sone people just need more assistance than others.
Fwiw - bruce Mathison isn't a tool - as much as I hate it, it's about business interests passion and drive.
It sucks for non Carlton pol but there are other revenue streams out there aside from pokies.
doherz said:
Yes, you are quite right. It is more about education and assistance yet I witnessed the Gov paying lip service and doing little around implementing meaningful programs.
When I said evil I should have expanded by adding they are evil in terms of the devastation they cause to people that are addicted to them. The Gov does little in real terms help those addicted to them. As I said, they do nof really want people to stop playing them, regardless of the consequences. Very much like tobacco- the Gov could not shut that down either due to their reliance on the taxes.
It is quite sad to see the fallout of addiction.
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Tigerflag2008 said:
I wasn't really taking the moral high ground.
I'm just so totally against carltank receiving any windfall from them.
olice:But I do agree Tflag, they aree a bloody blight. Just get rid of them.
tigerlee said:
Agree with you that the gov wont outlaw pokies or smokes due to the tax they get from it. If people stopped gambling and smoking, car rego would go through the $1000 mark, petrol would cost over $2 a litre, there would be a speed/ red light cameras at every 2nd set of lights, the gov would not let the lost tax go from these area's without getting it from somewhere else by raising prices and fines, transport costs would be monstrous.
Lost money from any smoking, alcohol, fines and gambling WILL be recouped from somewhere else.
Ian4 said:
The answer to the 3 questions you ask at the end can only be NO NO and a huge fat NO , my wifes side of the family is split 50/50 ess and carl and i have never heard the carlton side of her family ever voice disgust at the way carlton run things , they thought the penalty they copped at the start of the noughties was too harsh.
FitenFitenWin said:
goldpost. Me too. I hate carlton the most. The buying flags pre-salary cap. The Judd-Visy rort post salary cap. John Elliott. Robert menzies. I'm enjoying the current ructions because they are doing what we used to do.
ps. I had a dream the other night my girlfriend turned into Trent Cotchin. Nothing untoward happened, but it was weird, and good.
The one thing that digust's me about the judd/ visy deal is, that when calcheat were penalised for cheating the salary cap, they should NEVER EVER have been allowed to do any such 3rd party deals to get players into the club, the afl are soft, to let caltoon pretty much cheat the salary cap again by doing a 3rd party deal is disgusting.
let's not forget that $1m interest free loan the slime were given by the afl soon after they were fined.
lets hope the aints beat them this week end and we pump port and finish above the carltank on the ladder for at least the next 50 years
Have read a few posts on here about how the Blues buggered up their 07 draft first selection by taking Kreuzer instead of Cotchin....
Here was the scenario, and the ruck area desperately needed more attention than the midfield -
Usual ruckmen of the time - Cain Ackland, Cameron Cloke, occasionally O'hAilpin.
Midfield - Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Judd (had been recruited before the November draft), Simpson, Carrazzo.
In fairness, it's a no-brainer which area needed to be addressed.
Cotchin's a talent and will be around a while, but I'm confident Kreuzer will continue to get better. For mine he was carried through matches with injury this season - Warnock missed a large part of the year, Hampson was played elsewhere before becoming injured, which left Kreuzer who was not 100% right but I suppose bordering on not being able to play. In one game we barely had a ruckman....Thornton was the man. That's how dire our ruck situation was at times this year.
Kreuzer hasn't been the same since his knee reco, and has had a couple of injury niggles in other areas since. I hope in the off-season his problems become sorted out so he can get on with his footy as best he can.
Here was the scenario, and the ruck area desperately needed more attention than the midfield -
Usual ruckmen of the time - Cain Ackland, Cameron Cloke, occasionally O'hAilpin.
Midfield - Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs, Judd (had been recruited before the November draft), Simpson, Carrazzo.
In fairness, it's a no-brainer which area needed to be addressed.
Cotchin's a talent and will be around a while, but I'm confident Kreuzer will continue to get better. For mine he was carried through matches with injury this season - Warnock missed a large part of the year, Hampson was played elsewhere before becoming injured, which left Kreuzer who was not 100% right but I suppose bordering on not being able to play. In one game we barely had a ruckman....Thornton was the man. That's how dire our ruck situation was at times this year.
Kreuzer hasn't been the same since his knee reco, and has had a couple of injury niggles in other areas since. I hope in the off-season his problems become sorted out so he can get on with his footy as best he can.
At the time there wasn't much between the two and you needed a tall more than a mid. I don't think it was a bad choice.
A bit like our Tambling pick. At the time it was pretty wildly accepted that Lids and bling were 1 and 2 in the draft. Shame we didn't give Tambling a chest X-ray to reveal his lack of ticker.
A bit like our Tambling pick. At the time it was pretty wildly accepted that Lids and bling were 1 and 2 in the draft. Shame we didn't give Tambling a chest X-ray to reveal his lack of ticker.
I'm surprised at the early calls on Kreuzer, given his injuries to date and age (in light of the fact he's a tall)
