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TigerForce said:
Yep 6 new flags but in addition they were runners-up 6 times during the same period
And incredibly that means a further 12 Norm Smiths to the mighty Blues too (whether they played GF’s in those days or not)
Today’s Carlton supporters must be so happy with this new joy in their lives
Tenacious said:
Someone on BF quipped that Teague is already the greatest coach of all time - six premierships in his first day on the job.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Ha! Pay that one.
Regarding how far back...
The number of teams, how competitive most of them were (or were not) is always going to be a subjective measure
(eg. Early days there weren’t that many teams and only a couple of competitive teams with the rest making up the numbers). That by and large just needs to be accepted for what it was.
So what was ‘the league’?
For me, because the VFL was a rogue split from the VFA, it was a brand new league and in direct competition with the original association (VFA). If by coincidence those rogue teams had previously won vfa premierships, then sure that’s part of that clubs individual history, but separable to the entities in each competition.
The evolution of vfl to afl was a planned expansion of the same league, so I don’t see the need to start again with records. Same league, so the history is relevant.
VFA to vfl is just a name change. The subsequent affiliations didn’t join the two histories together. You can’t tie them back together because then you have all of Port Melbourne’s flags on the same list as Collingwood’s, but you can’t do that because they didn’t compete. The bulldogs have won 2 afl/vfl flags and 11 vfa/vfl flags. That’s a rich part of their individual history, but they haven’t won 13 afl/vfl/vfa flags.
So I’m comfortable with the afl/vfl premiership records starting from 1897 (with the bomber’s the initial champs) to the present. Nothing else makes logical sense to me.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
tigertim said:
The thing about SOS and his GWS retreads is that he's made the same mistakes twice - once when he was the recruiter for GWS, and again when trading for them with the Blues.
