But this is what I don't get about Jan 26.
It is a reminder of exactly that. We are choosing to remember and celebrate the invasion.
You can't say 'Let's celebrate the invasion... But don't talk about the invasion.'
It's bonkers.
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Australia Day 26 January
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It is a reminder of exactly that. We are choosing to remember and celebrate the invasion.
You can't say 'Let's celebrate the invasion... But don't talk about the invasion.'
It's bonkers.
Probably after the last remaining stocks of Aussie flag thongs, budgie smugglers and beach towels.
According to those people who are actually really smart, Jan 26 is not the day the convicts landed or anything, it is the Australians first became Australian citizens (or something), in the 1940s.
It is just a coincidence these are the same date, and Jan 26 was celebrated on and off before this.
(You can find all sorts of amazing facts on social media!)
That Dutton and his incitement of violence, he needs to resign.
I'm sure he'd say the same if someone else called for a boycott and this happened.
Somehow doubt the right wing media will suggest this though.
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The 26th recognizes an invasion. What a load baloney. You & your woke lot only use that expression because it is fashionable text that First Fleet landed guns, blazing banners flying ,slaughtering gathered native lot when they just rowed ashore ,planted a flag & drank some rum. As a result of this epic mission by that hardy British lot you now enjoy their result. It seems to me you do not enjoy reality & live in cobweb of being with it ,within in the horde of local know it all academia who never got their hands dirty.
Australia was founded & settled by intrepid men & women. You enjoy their hardships yet you spit on them for your own self ingratiating pleasure. That also goes up to your thumbs up lot.
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Pretty sure to boycott something means to withdraw or remove your involvement. So how does old plod Dutton get pinged for inciting someone to attend and violently attack or damage the location??? Reads to me that the offender did exactly the opposite of what Dutton was asking people to do.
You seriously think Dutton wouldn't be calling for a resignation if the shoe was on the other foot?
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The 26th recognises an invasion.
This is recorded fact that no one truly disagrees with. You can have whatever opinion you want about the merits of British culture vs First nations cultures. That's an opinion. But what you can't do is deny the fact that our indigenous cultures predate the British by tens of thousands of years, and the British arrived here to supplant them, and take the land they were connected to. This is the definition of an invasion.
You're suggesting that we have profited and benefited from the invasion. Yes. The invaders often do. That is not the point.
The success of an invasion does not determine its definition.
No, your real opinion is a little nastier than just that you love the Aussie way of life.
You've shown your hand by invoking Terra Nullius.
The fact that you truly believe our first nations people were subhuman, and did not have an established culture or connection to this land before the British arrived says everything. You have said on other threads that you think repeating the events of the stolen generation would be beneficial.
At some point, if you repeatedly and persistently downplay the humanity, remove the agency, and deny the culture of an entire section of our population, you need to understand what that means for how you are being perceived.
Russia invaded Poland Allies invaded Axis on June 1944. Russia invaded the Ukraine. 2023 Hamas Palestinian lot invaded Israel. Spew sic The Few.
Sphew huh.
And you're sticking with that one?
Just when I thought what you were saying couldn't get any more sphupid.
I would like for you to say once and for all what you think the First Nations people are and were before British invasion.
Were they people? Are they people? Why do you think a foreign force coming in and killing them, uprooting them from their land, separating them from their families, shackling and incarcerating them and demolishing their culture doesn't constitute an invasion?
And you're sticking with that one?
Just when I thought what you were saying couldn't get any more sphupid.
I would like for you to say once and for all what you think the First Nations people are and were before British invasion.
Were they people? Are they people? Why do you think a foreign force coming in and killing them, uprooting them from their land, separating them from their families, shackling and incarcerating them and demolishing their culture doesn't constitute an invasion?
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The native residents on Terra Nullius sic the great Southern Land began being colonized by the arrival of First Fleet 1788 26 January 1788. On landing British flag raised on at hastily made flag pole. Captain Arthur Phillip officers & men drank the Kings health & declared The Land as property of the King of England. No hostile events occurred so no invasion.
So just because there weren't hostile acts on the 1st day then its not an invasion? Weird criteria you use.
It's beyond ridiculous some of the supposed arguments. Just like the referendum debate.
Captain Cook himself said he was an invader.
This is from his diaries.
'We enter their ports without their daring to make opposition, we attempt to land in a peaceable manner, if this succeeds it's well, if not we land nevertheless and maintain the footing we thus got by the superiority of our fire arms, in what other light can they then at first look upon us but as invaders of their country. '
As this was then followed by documented frontier wars and massacres, utilising said firearms, it is true that the first fleet saw themselves as invaders.
This doesn't need to be a reflection of modern day Australia. Though it informs some context. You are allowed to love and celebrate our country. But you can't just ignore what brought it to what it is now. You can't completely disregard the uncomfortable parts, and create your own version of reality.
You may say 'we don't need to always focus on the negatives on Australia Day', which is an understandable sentiment, but again raises the question of why we choose to specifically celebrate the invasion.
Totally not the point and therefore completely irrelevant. Potato head wasn't " inciting " violence as you're insinuating, he was simply asking people to abstain from conducting business with Woolworths and to choose an alternative option.
The relevant point is that because of the deeds of the early settlers you are now enjoying a very peaceful , financial, healthy life & all you do is put poo poo on them. Another thing lets say all the now Australian passport holders who settled here in the last ten years do they have to be apologetic to our brudders & sisters in your way of thinking. As for celebrating Australia on Australia Day it is to thank present day Australians with a day off from their daily oil & welcome new chums to hold a Australian passport with some pomp & ceremony.
