Terra nullius?
So the first nations people who were here weren't people?
Why don't you just say it.
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Australia Day 26 January
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So the first nations people who were here weren't people?
Why don't you just say it.
Celebrate or commiserate the day the way you and yours see fit.
Calling people dumb, uneducated, racist, woke, doesn't help.
Can't you reflect on the good and the inherently horrible things we did in the past?
Think we are smart enough to fell pride and shame on the same day regardless of the date.
Calling people dumb, uneducated, racist, woke, doesn't help.
Can't you reflect on the good and the inherently horrible things we did in the past?
Think we are smart enough to fell pride and shame on the same day regardless of the date.
Nah. While I agree abuse should generally be refrained from, compassionate people call stuff out that they know causes hurt. And racism should not be ignored.
Maybe those descendants of the convicts celebrate beacause they got out of cold, grey Blighty and came to this great country.
I can see both sides point of view. I will celebrate quietly which day is our National Day. Until it isn’t.
Now does anyone know where I can get a nice cotton Australia Day printed
Yeah, he still seems to think Palestine was a land without people for the Zionists to have all for themselves, so, no surprise really.
Australia Day is on the wrong day. How can you have the national day celebrated on a day which excludes the original inhabitants? Why do we expect Indigenous Australians to celebrate that day? It needs to be moved.
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Because as I have said it before they were introduced to the Western world on that day. If it was not the Brits you would be speaking a non English language like Cantonese or even Yiddish. You should be grateful of our early colonists achievements & not put them down as committing genocide etc etc.. I am sure your early ancestors would not be pleased with you & your Cohorts attitude towards them now but then you might be from new chums who have only been out in Oz a dog watch (Navy talk for a short period).
As an aside it is interesting that some of the same people who say Jews have a historical right to Palestine don’t think that indigenous Australians have a historical right to Australia.
And probably because being consistent and considered doesnt get the same reaction and attention.
Its rehashed, respun, repeated and still gets responses.
As a hypothetical, what is it that we feed?
Dutton, Price and Joyce- supermarkets should lower their prices on essential products.
Dutton, Price and Joyce- supermarkets should support Australian farmers and Australian products.
Dutton, Price and Joyce- supermarkets should sell cheap overseas rubbish that they wont make a profit on.
Dutton, Price and Joyce- supermarkets should support Australian farmers and Australian products.
Dutton, Price and Joyce- supermarkets should sell cheap overseas rubbish that they wont make a profit on.
Yeh, posters can write say whatever they want, express their opinion.
But there is nothing wrong with calling out the racists and racism.
Hardly. A pastoral lease over-rides native title. How a lease can over-ride title which is a form of ownership in property-obsessed capitalism is beyond me. But these sorts of things have always been flexible when it suits.
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That the British invaders committed genocide is not debateable. This is not opinion. It happened. You don't get to have your own facts. You are wrong.
You can have the opinion that that was somehow a benefit for them, but that is very stupid. You can believe it if you want though.
The historical fact is Terra Nullius the Southern land was settled by the Brits & now all who live here live a very peaceful existence. When you compare other nations frightful existences thank your lucky stars that you are here. As for those of the world under tyranny we bear your suffering . No good harping on past deeds of yesteryear as the way ahead is somewhat on a knifes edge & will challenge our resolve in the future.
The ironic point I was making is that if we accept that Jews have a historical right to Palestine and they had (have) the right to take land then we should accept that the indigenous population of Australia have a right to take land from the European settlers and their descendants. I am not talking about land rights, I am talking about walking in and taking our property. Your house and my house, because that is what Jews are doing to Palestinians and have been doing since 1948.
Jews have lived in Palestine for centuries and have a right to be there but not at the expense of Palestinians who also have a right to be there. The only reason the Israelis have given for a greater right is that they have a god given right in the bible, which to me and most people is a fantasy.
To me as a matter of logic if we accept that Palestinians have a right to live in Palestine, either as part of a larger state with Jews or in a 2 state solution, then we cannot accept what the state of Israel has done and continues to do.
The problem now is that this basic piece of logic is lost in a discussion about good guys and bad guys, about Iran, Houthis in Yemen and the brutality of Hamas but underneath it all is one solution which seems a million miles away.
Israel has to stop persecuting the Palestinians and has to accept their right to live in Palestine with them. You can say that Palestinians have to do the same and ultimately they do but Israel is the occupier, only it can take the first step.
You wonder why the word racist gets thrown around, and then you stand by Terra Nullius.
You need to understand what you are saying. The concept of Terra Nullius is that first nations people are primitive, sub human, without any claim to the land they have lived on for tens of thousands of years.
This isn't woke political correctness. Terra Nullius is definitionally racist. Pull all the connotations and loaded emotions out of the word, Terra Nullius is saying that one race doesn't recognise another as human.
You have to understand how flawed that is.
Australia, as a country has recognised that Terra Nullius was abhorrent and done so in law. It is beyond comprehension that you stick to it.
'no good harping on the deeds of yesteryear'
Isn't this exactly what the point of an anniversary celebration is? To harp on the deeds of yesteryear? How can you say you want to celebrate the 26th of January and all it's 'tradition', and not look backwards? The 26th recognises an invasion.
You simply cannot say that is not true.
This idea was repeated in the lead up to the referendum.
we know what it really means is we dont want to be reminded of the bad things in the past. unless they suit our agenda.
