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Andrew Krakour..strange

Brodders17 said:
IMO tho to suggest he was only delisted cos he was going to jail are wrong. his time at the tigers was up either way.
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Exactly. He committed his assault in December 06. We kept him for 07 but he only played 9 games. Then delisted him. He might have got a shot at another club (unlikely) if he didn't have the court case over his head.

I have distaste for making him a hero. McVeigh playing after his kid died, Ramanaskus surviving cancer, Lonergan after losing a kidney are great efforts. But not when you put yourself into the position. For all that Krakouer hit a bloke who had king-hit him years earlier as part of a long-running family fued. Wasn't some stranger in a pub.
 
Couldn't give two hoots about Andrew Krakouer to be honest.

Just another opposition footballer in my eyes. Even worse than that, he is a Collingwood footballer.
 
Krak played with a lot of Tiger spirit that's why I liked him (and still do). 102 games and 102 goals in the Yellow and Black and never did any wrong by the club. This should mean something to all Tiger supporters.

A stand out for me was Richmond v Adelaide Rd 8, 2006 (the Basketball game). Krakouer saved the day for us in the last minute. He was never a star, just a good honest player.
 
Lennox Street said:
You can make any club look bad by doing the same sort of analyis. The truth is that simple maths say that most picks must fail. Which club was responsible for these in the same period?

David Spriggs pick 15 (1999)
Ezra Bray pick 17 (1999)
Justin Murphy traded for pick 11 (2000)
Kane Tenance pick 7 (2003)
David Haynes traded for pick 20 (2003)
Cameron Thurley pick 22 (2003)
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No most picks in the top 25 do not fail. And no you cannot make any club look bad by doing the same sort of analysis. To get a good squad of players (ie 28 to 30 players) you need to find at least 3 or 4 every year. Until recently our drafting record has been appalling. It's not a coincidence that in the last 25 years we've been the worst performed club. It reflects directly on our poor recruiting strategies.
 
Jason King said:
I still subscribe to the theory that any white bloke would have gotten no jail time. Just ask David Hook's killer ::)
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So are you saying that it was a racist decision to jail him Mr. King? ???
 
Jason King said:
I still subscribe to the theory that any white bloke would have gotten no jail time. Just ask David Hook's killer ::)
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You mean Slavic refugee who caused the death of an Anglo-Saxon sporting hero actually got off? ::)
 
DirtyDogTiger said:
Sad that WA corrections have a better personal development program than Richmond in 2000 - 2003.
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Hmm. Perhaps we shouldn't have provided quite so good legal assistance to Taylor.
 
Jason King said:
I still subscribe to the theory that any white bloke would have gotten no jail time. Just ask David Hook's killer ::)
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IMO this is a very poor comparison. You may say it's irrelevant but are you aware that the guy Krak and his brother assaulted (for whatever reason...there was plenty of speculation about that at the time too) is also Aboriginal? "Hookesy" was an Australian sporting icon and the bloke who went to trial over his death was a Slavic refugee (as JLT said) from St Albans called Zdravko Micevic. I actually know a thing or two about the case but I don't want an angry mob turning up at my door so in light of the fact that it's not nice to speak ill of the dead or the actions that led up to their death I'll just keep quiet. I'd suggest that especially in the Hookes case race or ethnicity had very little to do with it.
 
Jimmy_12 said:
IMO this is a very poor comparison. You may say it's irrelevant but are you aware that the guy Krak and his brother assaulted (for whatever reason...there was plenty of speculation about that at the time too) is also Aboriginal? "Hookesy" was an Australian sporting icon and the bloke who went to trial over his death was a Slavic refugee (as JLT said) from St Albans called Zdravko Micevic. I actually know a thing or two about the case but I don't want an angry mob turning up at my door so in light of the fact that it's not nice to speak ill of the dead or the actions that led up to their death I'll just keep quiet. I'd suggest that especially in the Hookes case race or ethnicity had very little to do with it.
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My point (opinion) wasnt who was being offended against, moreso the huge gap between indigenous and non indigenous penalties. A family member is a high ranking policeman and lets just say the statistics on this matter are the reason my opinion is the way it is. The stuff that is published is damning enough, its ridiculous the sentances handed out based on indigenous vs non.

Refugee or not the scumbag who king hit Hookesy was also a pro boxer. Provocation or not his job wasnt to bash a blokes head in now was it?
 
Brodders17 said:
Skeletons? true? my memory was that krakouer was always painted as a pretty good shy kid. i cant remember hearing much bad about him besides the incident which led to the jail time. (im not trying paint him as hard done by, or suggesting he was an angel, i just can remember hearing anything to suggest skeletons.)

IMO tho to suggest he was only delisted cos he was going to jail are wrong. his time at the tigers was up either way.
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Yeah, my info is he was running with some pretty average types when he was a Tiger.
 
Jason King said:
Refugee or not the scumbag who king hit Hookesy was also a pro boxer. Provocation or not his job wasnt to bash a blokes head in now was it?
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Immaterial point, but I could not stand David Hookes after he came out an publically named Roy Wright in his radio gig as being the player offering up a Brownlow medal for sale.

Poor old Roy was really upset by it, had little right of reply, and it was totally false. I think it ended up being Len Thompson's.

I seem to recall someone asking Hookes when he was going to apologies, but he just kept trying to change the subject.
 
Jimmy_12 said:
IMO this is a very poor comparison. You may say it's irrelevant but are you aware that the guy Krak and his brother assaulted (for whatever reason...there was plenty of speculation about that at the time too) is also Aboriginal? "Hookesy" was an Australian sporting icon and the bloke who went to trial over his death was a Slavic refugee (as JLT said) from St Albans called Zdravko Micevic. I actually know a thing or two about the case but I don't want an angry mob turning up at my door so in light of the fact that it's not nice to speak ill of the dead or the actions that led up to their death I'll just keep quiet. I'd suggest that especially in the Hookes case race or ethnicity had very little to do with it.
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The fact that Hookes may have been behaving badly does not mean he deserved to be assaulted or killed.
 
IanG said:
The fact that Hookes may have been behaving badly does not mean he deserved to be assaulted or killed.
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I think the differences in the cases are that Hookes was punched once and died when his head hit the concrete and so could be said to be accidental / unfortunate. In contrast Krakouer, according to the court case, beat his victim to a pulp and refused to stop after he was on the ground and others at the venue were saying that Krakouer had gone too far. I think if Krak had thrown one punch and walked away he probably would have gotten some sort of bond or other as well.
 
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