911 Truth Movement

[Disco08]

Why don't you have a look for yourself ant?

 

[AngryAnt]

Weeeeell, the problems are much more profound than just the "well researched" statement. The problem with the document as a whole (as with many of these types of truther histories) is that they are long and rambling. There's no coherent introduction, no statement of thesis, no body of argument, no conclusion. They are just a long list of facts, quotes, references, happenings.

So we jump from why the planes hit the buildings in a certain way to the "theft of the Soviet treasury" and a bunch of other stuff about the fall of the Soviet Union to the Marcos Regime to the Iran Contra scandal to how all the evidence for all these scams was hidden in the WTC to the "Vulcans" etc etc. Then to Nazi Gold, then to SE Asia, then to the Nugan Hand bank! (remember the Whitlam administration anyone) then to the Jonestown Massacre (and the corrupt participation in the clean up of same by World Vision).

I could go on, this is only up to page 14 of 59.

So I guess at the end of reading this complex turgid laundry list of people, events, quotes, and organisation-style charts supposedly showing "connections" between the key players, I'm supposed to say AHAH NOW I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. EUREKA. I WAS BLIND BUT NOW I CAN SEE. ALL IS NOW CRYSTAL CLEAR. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO WRONG. WHAT A FOOL I HAVE BEEN. THE SCALES HAVE FALLEN FROM MY EYES

 

[Disco08]

So you've written it all off as fabrication or meaningless oddity?

Reading it I had little trouble following the layout. Heavy going at times but clear enough. There's a conclusion too but funnily enough it's further toward the end than page 14. The first paragraph also seemed to do well enough as an introduction to me. Certainly I have no idea how you could view it as incoherent.

 

[tigersnake]

So you've written it all off as fabrication or meaningless oddity?

Reading it I had little trouble following the layout. Heavy going at times but clear enough. There's a conclusion too but funnily enough it's further toward the end than page 14. The first paragraph also seemed to do well enough as an introduction to me. Certainly I have no idea how you could view it as incoherent.

6 degrees of Kevin Bacon is not a bad game actually

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIdvMjbf9gQ

 

[evo]

I just knew Jonestown had to be involved in 911 somehow.

 

[AngryAnt]

Actually reading that piece reminded me of this:

Of course Stephenson doesn't pretend he's not writing fiction though. Great read.

 

[evo]

catchy title.

 

[Baloo]

Stephensonis one of my favorites. Snow Crash is easily one of my favorite books. No selfrespecting geek is complete without reading it two or three times.

 

[Disco08]

Actually reading that piece reminded me of this:

Of course Stephenson doesn't pretend he's not writing fiction though. Great read.

So you are writing that entire essay off as fabrication? No such $240b covert investments were actually made and they were never set to come due on 9/12/01 and weren't actually cashed in after the SEC invoked its emergency powers?

What's the name of that movie/tv show that came out not long before 9/11 that was based on the same plot almost down to the finest detail?

Morover - does no one else find this absurd:

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Ladin family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group.

The Bin Ladens were attending a conference of a secretive global asset company with ties to the Bush family, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Not absurdly coincidental?

 

[evo]

Stephensonis one of my favorites. Snow Crash is easily one of my favorite books. No selfrespecting geek is complete without reading it two or three times.

interesting. I hadn't heard of him. Not that I really read a lot of modern fiction books.

Might give it a go.

 

[tigertim]

So you are writing that entire essay off as fabrication? No such $240b covert investments were actually made and they were never set to come due on 9/12/01 and weren't actually cashed in after the SEC invoked its emergency powers?

What's the name of that movie/tv show that came out not long before 9/11 that was based on the same plot almost down to the finest detail?

Morover - does no one else find this absurd:

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Ladin family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group.

The Bin Ladens were attending a conference of a secretive global asset company with ties to the Bush family, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Not absurdly coincidental?

Co-incidental of what?

 

[Disco08]

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld appear to be severely incompetent in letting an al Qaeda plot succeed while the family of the guy who apparently masterminded the whole thing are hobnobbing at a shindig of a company they are all heavily involved in.

 

[evo]

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld appear to be severely incompetent in letting an al Qaeda plot succeed while the family of the guy who apparently masterminded the whole thing are hobnobbing at a shindig of a company they are all heavily involved in.

Wasn't Osama totally eschewed by his family? I don't really know, but seem to remember he hated the House of Saud for sucking up to the yanks. THat is why he took his money and buggered off to Afghanistan: to fight the holy war. Why would he conspire with the infidel?

 

[tigergollywog]

The Bin Ladens were attending a conference of a secretive global asset company with ties to the Bush family, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Not absurdly coincidental?

I dont reckon that even normal coincidental.

I'll tell you what absurdly coincidental ..... The bloke who sold Osama Bin Ladens house and contents policy on his cave in afghanistan used to sit next to a bloke who went to a conference that Ricky Nixon (Yes THE disgraced former afl player agent) was at. Now the school girl that Ricky (allegedly I think) had sex with once bought a second hand bread maker from this lady in Pascovale. This is where it gets really creepy. The dude who used to wax the lady in Pascoe vales daughter in-laws bikini line knew this bloke whos cousin went to a Zumba class in a hall, on the management committee of which was a lady who had been at a casino in vegas and was sitting at a blackjack table, where the dealer had once walked on a bit of chewy that a kid who went to school with CONDOLEZA RICE's neice had spat out only moments before. BUT, it doesnt end there. The bread maker that the lady in Pascoe Vale sold, she had got for a wedding present and only used it a couple of times before deciding it was easier and cheaper to go to the bakery. But, at the wedding was a couple who had recently visited wet and wild, at the gold coast. When they were leaving, they had a slight mishap in the carpark and left their contact details on the persons windscreen. Well, the firm that had fitted that windscreen was owned by a firm called Corinthian Doors. A certain shareholder in Corinthian Doors had been to the Dapto greyhounds ON THE SAME NIGHT that the kid walked in CONDOLEZA RICE's neices chewy and he had backed a dog called My Bins Laden. Now, this is where you have to concentrate, internet records show that the bloke who bred the 2nd dam of that dog had read a book that he had downloaded from the internet on the same night titled 'Chewy on your Boot - anecdotes from a country footballer' by Wopper O'Rourke. Now the crazy coincidence dont end there. Wopper once had a mouse plague that was badly eating his wheat crop so he bought a whole shipment of mouse traps and set the lot in his paddock. One night when he was walking home, he accidentally stepped in one of his own mouse traps and his foot became infected. Now the wife of the chemist that he bought some betadine off grew up in the same street as the bloke who once knew a lady who had played netball near a place where another blokes mother-in-law had once thought that she saw a small child who looked a bit like another kid she used to know whose surname was RICE. Hows that? Creepy huh?

 

[Disco08]

Yeah not sure but it just seems very odd. Similarly reports that OBL was used by the CIA are very odd (if true) as are the apparently forged OBL 9/11 confessions. It just all seems too coincidental to me.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bin_laden_osman.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html

 

[Disco08]

I dont reckon that even normal coincidental.

I'll tell you what absurdly coincidental ..... The bloke who sold Osama Bin Ladens house and contents policy on his cave in afghanistan used to sit next to a bloke who went to a conference that Ricky Nixon (Yes THE disgraced former afl player agent) was at. Now the school girl that Ricky (allegedly I think) had sex with once bought a second hand bread maker from this lady in Pascovale. This is where it gets really creepy. The dude who used to wax the lady in Pascoe vales daughter in-laws bikini line knew this bloke whos cousin went to a Zumba class in a hall, on the management committee of which was a lady who had been at a casino in vegas and was sitting at a blackjack table, where the dealer had once walked on a bit of chewy that a kid who went to school with CONDOLEZA RICE's neice had spat out only moments before. BUT, it doesnt end there. The bread maker that the lady in Pascoe Vale sold, she had got for a wedding present and only used it a couple of times before deciding it was easier and cheaper to go to the bakery. But, at the wedding was a couple who had recently visited wet and wild, at the gold coast. When they were leaving, they had a slight mishap in the carpark and left their contact details on the persons windscreen. Well, the firm that had fitted that windscreen was owned by a firm called Corinthian Doors. A certain shareholder in Corinthian Doors had been to the Dapto greyhounds ON THE SAME NIGHT that the kid walked in CONDOLEZA RICE's neices chewy and he had backed a dog called My Bins Laden. Now, this is where you have to concentrate, internet records show that the bloke who bred the 2nd dam of that dog had read a book that he had downloaded from the internet on the same night titled 'Chewy on your Boot - anecdotes from a country footballer' by Wopper O'Rourke. Now the crazy coincidence dont end there. Wopper once had a mouse plague that was badly eating his wheat crop so he bought a whole shipment of mouse traps and set the lot in his paddock. One night when he was walking home, he accidentally stepped in one of his own mouse traps and his foot became infected. Now the wife of the chemist that he bought some betadine off grew up in the same street as the bloke who once knew a lady who had played netball near a place where another blokes mother-in-law had once thought that she saw a small child who looked a bit like another kid she used to know whose surname was RICE. Hows that? Creepy huh?

So you totally accept the 9/11 CR as the whole truth do ya?

 

[tigergollywog]

Nah, i was just having a bit of fun Disco. Conspiracy theories often make me laugh but good on the conspiracy theorists for thinking hard and keeping governments on their toes.

I wouldnt have a clue about much that happens outside a radius of about 50km.

 

[Disco08]

No problems TG.

FWIW a lot of people who are upset about the US response to 9/11 are not your typical conspiracy theorists.

 

[AngryAnt]

So you are writing that entire essay off as fabrication?

Many details are no doubt correct - so the events mentioned and referenced in the references did occur. So yes, Jonestown happened. The Soviet Union fell. Such and such a person was at such and such a meeting with such and such other people - well, at least it's possible they were.

It's just that these events are so numerous, random and disparate that tying them together into some coherent narrative is impossible, or at least not acheived by this author.

Evo (or someone) suggested earlier that it's really hard to kill off BS that's based on half-truths. And this piece is full of such half-truths.

 

[Disco08]

So which of the points you didn't quote that came straight after the part you did are half truths in your opinion?