911 Truth Movement

[KnightersRevenge]

you an engineer ?

My logic says it would burn and burn and fall apart gradually with the top section collapsing onto the bottom section and gradually mangling until the fires were put out. but, like you, I'm no expert. We have differing logic and opinion.

Now the only thing you have to back up your logic is the OR which was compromised. I have sceptical engineers and architects who have nothing to gain.

How would my being an engineer change an argument based only on logic? Yours versus mine. I have a rudimentary understanding of physics. How much energy did the plane have just before impact? The energy comprised of it's momentum plus all the energy in the unused fuel I imagine. If it disintegrated upon impact then all of that energy was transferred to the tower. What do think that would do? Now you've got all that energy plus you have severed much of building in half. All of the energy in the top section wants to go only one way and much of what was designed to keep up there it there is now gone. So all that energy is now trying to pull it down. You know the rest.

 

[tigersnake]

power and money that went to?

A lot of money did flow to Cheney's Haliburton as a result of Iraq/ Afgan war contracts, billions. But they were already loaded up with military contracts, they still would have made a lot of money, just probably not as much. All things considered, doesn't wash as a motive.

 

[Disco08]

Leysy is not getting involved. Only offering his quick opinion.

Fair enough. Can I at least ask if you think the chance the US had any involvement is extremely remote even in the knowledge that this is how events unfolded and that the investigtion into them was deliberately restricted? Yes or no is fine.

There's no precedence of ships sinking after getting hit by an iceberg? And there's precedence of planes been flown into sky scrapers? There's no "Evidence" of any conspiracy of 911 and the 911 motive is ...ummm, power and money that went to? Fine, te Titanic was actually bombed by Cunard so that they could corner the market and wipe out Whitestar. The plan was first mooted in the Westwood paper of 1898 if you want more proof.

Surely you don't think a little bit of ice sunk that massive ship?

Experts all do. Can you find me a Shipbuilders and Sailors for Titanic Truth webpage I can maybe educate myself a bit more at?

There's precendence of the US planning to use terrorist attacks on its own citizens to justify war against another nation. This is also the obvious motive. Invasion of peoples privacy was another motive through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. The evidence may only be circumstantial but its still evidence. If the investigation wasn't so severely restricted and so much physical evidence hadn't been destroyed before it was examined there'd obviously be a lot more.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Experts all do. Can you find me a Shipbuilders and Sailors for Titanic Truth webpage I can maybe educate myself a bit more at?

Here's some homework for you on Titanic: http://digitaljournal.com/article/321775 ;D

 

[Disco08]

Doesn't say anything about the ability of an iceberg to sink a big ship.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Doesn't say anything about the ability of an iceberg to sink a big ship.

Spoil sport.

 

[Disco08]

I do they find the revelation that there was an "O" and an "R" underneath where "Titanic" was printed very compelling. ;D

 

[Harry]

How would my being an engineer change an argument based only on logic? Yours versus mine. I have a rudimentary understanding of physics. How much energy did the plane have just before impact? The energy comprised of it's momentum plus all the energy in the unused fuel I imagine. If it disintegrated upon impact then all of that energy was transferred to the tower. What do think that would do? Now you've got all that energy plus you have severed much of building in half. All of the energy in the top section wants to go only one way and much of what was designed to keep up there it there is now gone. So all that energy is now trying to pull it down. You know the rest.

respect your opinion but don't agree like you don't with mine. fair enough

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I do they find the revelation that there was an "O" and an "R" underneath where "Titanic" was printed very compelling. ;D

I've always liked the Olympic/Titanic conspiracy.

 

[Harry]

Smart! ;D

soft. the apologists aren't that ruthless.

 

[tigertim]

Fair enough. Can I at least ask if you think the chance the US had any involvement is extremely remote even in the knowledge that this is how events unfolded and that the investigtion into them was deliberately restricted? Yes or no is fine.

Experts all do. Can you find me a Shipbuilders and Sailors for Titanic Truth webpage I can maybe educate myself a bit more at?

There's precendence of the US planning to use terrorist attacks on its own citizens to justify war against another nation. This is also the obvious motive. Invasion of peoples privacy was another motive through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. The evidence may only be circumstantial but its still evidence. If the investigation wasn't so severely restricted and so much physical evidence hadn't been destroyed before it was examined there'd obviously be a lot more.

Well check this out! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic_alternative_theories

Case closed!

 

[Rosy]

Not sure if you responded to this post, or to others who questioned you about it, Harry.

Considering this evidence does your perception of logic tell you there was a plane invoked or not?

does it sit comfortably in your mind that a plane crashed into the pentagon (hitting the ground first by reports) and went through 6 layers of concrete walls to create a neat circular exit hole at the end? With no vision of significant wreckage and no vision of the plane when there were many cameras around and the FBI confiscated the vision from hotels accross the road? How can there be no vision? If it does then fine, but I can understand why it doesn't with some.

Are you implying there wasn't a plane involved?

Are these images FBI photoshopping?

 

[Disco08]

Well check this out! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic_alternative_theories

Case closed!

Nice deflection. :clap

 

[tigertim]

Nice deflection. :clap

Cheers, I'm getting tired!

 

[Disco08]

;D

 

[Harry]

Not sure if you responded to this post, or to others who questioned you about it, Harry.

Considering this evidence does your perception of logic tell you there was a plane invoked or not?

Are you implying there wasn't a plane involved?

Are these images FBI photoshopping?

dunno. could be photoshopped, could be planted, could be real.

where's the rest of the plane?

 

[Disco08]

So I'd just like to try and refute the Massive Conspiracy assertion Noam put forward that you guys seem to cling to.

Northwoods was approved at all levels except the president, who rejected it. I'd like to speculate as to whether he was horrified at the suggestion and compelled to blow the whistle but won't. It remained secret for nearly 50 years clearly demonstrating that hiding evidence of such things is achievable.

9/11 was a much simpler premise. Rather than create fake attacks all the US had to do was ensure an attack they knew was coming succeeded. This would have obviously involved far fewer people. Certainly it could be achieved by a small group of people in the highest levels of power as the main actions that ensured the plan succeeded were manipulation of military and aviation law/protocal/operations and the suppression of evidence.

That's it. The massive conspiracy theory utterly debunked IMO. The controlled demolition theory obviously makes it more complex and therefore less likely, but that theory isn't necessary to the overall US involvement hypothesis.

 

[Tigers of Old]

dunno. could be photoshopped, could be planted, could be real.

where's the rest of the plane?

Yeah I wouldn't call that image compelling evidence.

 

[tigertim]

;D

Ok, this my last reference to other cover ups.

Some conspiricasts said he really could play footy. The realists said he couldn't. The theorists said it was due to injuries. The realists said it was due to ack of ability.

Read more here at www.tomhisloptruthmovement.com

 

[evo]

where's the rest of the plane?

Apparently it was flown to an island off Nova Scotia and the passengers were executed.


seems legit.