911 Truth Movement

[Brodders17]

I used to have a toy T-rex I used to play with when I was a kid, I would make little towns of people then t-rex would squash them and whack them with his tail. I reckon I'd still be very shocked if T-rex appeared in my suburb and started squashing people.

:hihi not sure it is relevant but :hihi none the less.


on conspiracies, this site has some good ones:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/chart-obama-conspiracy-theories

 

[Disco08]

Modelling notwithstanding, I reckon the US hierarchy were totally shocked. Remember Bush's face in that first press conference? You can't fake that.

Sorry but of course you can.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a959cheneyunresponsive#a959cheneyunresponsive

 

[AngryAnt]

Well I'm convinced, that's a smokin' gun right there

 

[Harry]

Again "outliers". Do you know how many Engineers, Scholars and Archetects there are in the world?

what's the TM's motive then?

Most engineers scholars architects either haven't been exposed to the TM's evidence, or are indifferent about the whole event, or would rather let sleeping dogs lie, or are too busy to bother or some / all of the above. just because the truth seekers are a minority does not mean that the majority believe the official story

 

[Harry]

Why would the Obama administration continue the cover-up. They could destroy the Republican party machine for ever by uncovering this if it was a charade.

they both serve the same master

 

[Harry]

The last one is a bit of the odd one out. I think most people suspect there is something fishy about the Kennedy Assasination. Or at least more to it than meets the eye.

conspiracy nutter.

btw kennedy was going against his masters orders and was popped, just quietly.

 

[Disco08]

they both serve the same master

It also opens a massive can of worms. How do you begin to apologise for killing so many civilians during a war based on a lie?

Well I'm convinced, that's a smokin' gun right there

Of course not, but it's yet another oddity and contradiction.

 

[Harry]

The conspiracy theories border on paranoia.

you call this paranoia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzrv-e37Es8

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/13/911_panel_to_get_access_to_withheld_data/

Cleland called the agreement "unconscionable" and said it "was deliberately compromised by the president of the United States" in order to limit the panel's work.

"If this decision stands, I as a member of the commission cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access," he said. "This investigation is now compromised . . . This is `The Gong Show'; this isn't protection of national security."

even the people involved in the commission report itself are questioning it.

the whole investigation was a joke and people believe it

 

[tigertim]

http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm

all nutters anyway so don't bother reading. just google some more conspiracy theories you can list, we're all enjoying the various theories out there.

they are whistleblower s :rofl? Ha, stop it please. More theorists with more untested wild, tenuous theories.

 

[tigertim]

they both serve the same master

yep, big business has everyone on the payroll....even future presidents! Amazing.

 

[Harry]

1. and most importantly: It never happened. This is a sinister crackpot idea that was rejected by the President. There would be sh!toads of sinister crackpot ideas proposed and rejected by presidents.

2. The measures proposed are not in the same league, in terms of organisation or impact, as Sept 11.

snakey open your eyes man. see, don't just look.

1. Just pop off the road block pres and get in a puppet pres to serve the master
2. same impact, same goal, same result.

 

[Baloo]

What puzzles me though is the reluctance of some people to even consider that the OR is wrong and their willingness to accept it blindly. It seems any suggestion of error or contradiction is met with derision and for the life of me I can't figure out why you guys would be such staunch supporters of it.

Who are these people you speak of ? I haven't seen anyone take that stance in this debate.

 

[Harry]

Whatever the truth of 911, are consipracy theorists really so crack-pot since the likes of Operation Northwoods actually existed? Plans approved at the all but highest level of the US governement to fake attacks on the US by Cuba - including possible sinking of refugee boats and wounding of refugee Cubans living in the US?

Who can blame people for having their sense of normality and trust in government so eroded when there's a record of US intent to dupe it's own citizenry to such an elaborate extent - only pulled by the President himself? The US creates a massively funded, amoral, secret dirty tricks organisation in the CIA that goes to any extent to achieve it's end. At what point does the trust of the population in it's government become critically undermined?

On Operation Northwoods -

“ Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

"Included in the nations the Joint Chiefs suggested as targets for covert attacks were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Since both were members of the British Commonwealth, the Joint Chiefs hoped that by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could incite the people of the United Kingdom into supporting a war against Castro.[18]"

"The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: "The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

exchange kennedy for bush and operation northwoods = success.

 

[Harry]

yep, big business has everyone on the payroll.

now you're starting to see things

 

[tigertim]

now you're starting to see things

I have seen the light. Damn American governments spending all their careers coming up with ways to kill their president, kill their citizens, fake moon landings.......

No wonder the country is in the shitter.

 

[tigertim]

By the way, what other countries are conducting these cover ups? Or is it just the USA?

 

[Tigers of Old]

The answer is out there, Neo, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

 

[Harry]

they are whistleblower s :rofl? Ha, stop it please. More theorists with more untested wild, tenuous theories.

6 of the 10 people involved in the commission report?

 

[evo]

what's the TM's motive then?

I presume TM refers to these dissenting scholars. If it does, I have little doubt they believe what they are saying. So? They're still a tiny minority of scientists/ engineers.

Did you notice that link I posted in regard to the almost 32000 engineers/scientists who signed the anti -AGW petition?

32000 experts against the idea sounds really impressive, right? Until you consider

In fact, OISM signatories represent a tiny fraction (~0.3%) of all US science graduates (petition cards were only sent to individuals within the U.S)

According to figures from the US Department of Education Digest of Education Statistics: 2008, 10.6 million science graduates have gained qualifications consistent with the OISM polling criteria since the 1970-71 school year. 32,000 out of 10 million is not a very compelling figure, but a tiny minority - approximately 0.3 per cent.

When you consider how many Architects and Engineers there must be in the world 1750 who have hitched their wagon to Richard Guage is suddenly miniscule.

 

[tigertim]

6 of the 10 people involved in the commission report?

6 out of 10 involved in the commission had complaints about how the commission was conducted! No whistleblower s with any proof that the bush admin was responsible for 911.

Standard theorist half arsed attempts at "proof".

Where are the REAL whistleblower s Harry? No-one "involved" has come forward after 11 years and said "yeah, Bush and Cheney were responsible. Here's the emails,. We had several meetings and Bush said "screw em all, lets kill as many innocent civilians as we can".