911 Truth Movement

[KnightersRevenge]

Jones' reliability was good enough to see him earn his Physics degree with distinction and win these awards. Here's his profile page at BYU.

I studied with some blokes who shouldn't be left alone around sharp objects who now have engineering degrees.

Thermite is made a certain way. That's not in dispute nor do you need to be a scientist to understand it. Feel free to answer the question with that in mind.

Do you have a physics degree? You'd need to to be labelling Jones' studies as nonsense. Otherwise statements such as yours would be folly eh?

The page critisizing Jones says he retracted his claim. Either way plenty of other evidence exists to support the fact there was molten steel found in the twin towers' rubble.

Issac Newton was an alchemist, very well regarded scientists often have blind spots for pet theories. I'll see your physicist with links to the defunct study of cold fusion, and raise you one of the founding fathers of modern physics who still had some pretty kooky and unscientific ideas.
I haven't seen anything from any independent source presented here that isn't from "historycommons" or other "911URL" friendly sites that confirms there is any indisputable physical evidence.

The obvious way to store dust would be in a container with a lid. That sh!t gets blown away very easily.

Are the anonymous posters at the JREF forum experts?

NIST has their own samples of WTC dust surely. Why don't they test those and prove thermite or evidence of its use wasn't present?

Shouldn't you be questioning the scientist's chain of evidence practises then? Where is his sample? Has it been contained under gold standard?

Of course not. I can see how it could easily be done with time and access though. Can't you?

No I haven't seen evidence of cutter charges being attached to the WTC. What a bizarre response to the statement I made.

Plane impacts didn't bring the towers down. Fires did apparently but many experts can't see how and point out numerous flaws in both the method and findings of the official reports.

Why is it bizarre, you seem to think it would be easy to do, I think you are massively over-simplifying things to suit your argument. If there is no evidence then why are we discussing it? Of course the plane impacts brought the towers down, everything that happened after the impacts was a direct result of the impacts, a cataclysmic series of related events that only happened because of the impacts.

Ant made the claim about the columns, not me.

OK.

 

[evo]

I studied with some blokes who shouldn't be left alone around sharp objects who now have engineering degrees.

Harsh. I'll have you know that JB graduated from plastic knives and forks well over 18 months ago.

In fact i have it on good authority he is just about to receive his pen license.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Harsh. I'll have you know that JB graduated from plastic knives and forks well over 18 months ago.

In fact i have it on good authority he is just about to receive his pen license.

Ahhh...the pen licence. I still don't know how I got mine. There was more ink on me than on any page I ever wrote on.

 

[Baloo]

Harsh. I'll have you know that JB graduated from plastic knives and forks well over 18 months ago.

In fact i have it on good authority he is just about to receive his pen license.

Does that mean he can stop,eating meatballs with his fingers ?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Does that mean he can stop,eating meatballs with his fingers ?

I had cat that did that. A ginger, called him tiger, used to pick up meatballs with his claws.

 

[tigergollywog]

Ive never heard of thermite. Is it like vegemite manufactured under high temperature? I heard promite has got a secret ingredient in it which alters your taste buds to make you physiologically hate vegemite.

 

[AngryAnt]

It's a magic invisible dust spread around by the thermite fairies at night when everyone's asleep.

 

[Disco08]

I studied with some blokes who shouldn't be left alone around sharp objects who now have engineering degrees.

Issac Newton was an alchemist, very well regarded scientists often have blind spots for pet theories. I'll see your physicist with links to the defunct study of cold fusion, and raise you one of the founding fathers of modern physics who still had some pretty kooky and unscientific ideas.
I haven't seen anything from any independent source presented here that isn't from "historycommons" or other "911URL" friendly sites that confirms there is any indisputable physical evidence.

What's your problem with History Commons as an independent source? Why wouldn't sites dedicated to 9/11 use "9/11" in their title?

Both your other points are meaningless.

Shouldn't you be questioning the scientist's chain of evidence practises then? Where is his sample? Has it been contained under gold standard?

Why is it bizarre, you seem to think it would be easy to do, I think you are massively over-simplifying things to suit your argument. If there is no evidence then why are we discussing it? Of course the plane impacts brought the towers down, everything that happened after the impacts was a direct result of the impacts, a cataclysmic series of related events that only happened because of the impacts.

There's a mountain of evidence if you don't bury your head in the sand. What evidence do you have that OBL masterminded and funded the entire thing without the US never catching on? What evidence do you have that the plane impacts and subsequent fires definitively brought down the towers? What evidence do you have that WTC definitively collapsed due to office fires and damage sustained from WTC1's debris?

Where would Jones get 5 samples of dust containing evidence of thermite if not from ground zero? This should have been one of the first things NIST did. Analsyse the evidence to see if use of explosives was evident. Why did that never do that?

 

[AngryAnt]

Disco dude, for all your theories of "cutters" and "thermite" and dudes installing it all in the dark and then it not going off when thousands of litres of jet fuel douses the buildings, there is no evidence for such, none, zilch. All you have is one kooky academic who wrote a paper which claims that paint chips and rust proofing is "trace elements of thermite", from a sample kept in someone's basement for 5 years or whatever.

Is that all you got?

Oh and I know you have "thousands of experts" that you met online, but is there any actual hard physical evidence?

 

[AngryAnt]

bury your head in the sand

Livers? is that you?

 

[Disco08]

You honestly think you're the one being rational and objective here? How about laying down the evidence that support your version of the truth?

Disco dude, for all your theories of "cutters" and "thermite" and dudes installing it all in the dark and then it not going off when thousands of litres of jet fuel douses the buildings, there is no evidence for such, none, zilch. All you have is one kooky academic who wrote a paper which claims that paint chips and rust proofing is "trace elements of thermite", from a sample kept in someone's basement for 5 years or whatever.

Is that all you got?

Oh and I know you have "thousands of experts" that you met online, but is there any actual hard physical evidence?

Paints chips and rustproofing? Really?

Jet fuel ignites thermite charges? Do tell.

Isn't it 5 samples?

There's plenty of evidence that points to gross incompetence or complicity. That's enough to warrant a proper investigation don't you think?

 

[tigertim]

You honestly think you're the one being rational and objective here? How about laying down the evidence that support your version of the truth?

Paints chips and rustproofing? Really?

Jet fuel ignites thermite charges? Do tell.

Isn't it 5 samples?

There's plenty of evidence that points to gross incompetence or complicity. That's enough to warrant a proper investigation don't you think?

What EVIDENCE is there of complicity?

 

[Disco08]

Read it again, closely.

 

[tigertim]

Read it again, closely.

Sorry.

So there's EVIDENCE that POINTS to complicity? Got it.

 

[Disco08]

No you haven't. Try again.

 

[AngryAnt]

Jet fuel ignites thermite charges? Do tell.

There's plenty of evidence that points to gross incompetence or complicity. That's enough to warrant a proper investigation don't you think?

Burning jet fuel could ignite the imaginary thermite. I guess gross incompetence might have caused tons of imaginary thermite to have been accidently left lying around the joint.
I'd support a new and full inquiry but only if it focuses purely on holographic planes and antigravity balls though, they seem the most likely of all the nut ball theories that you and the other expert kooks have thrown up so far.


Sorry dude, you've convinced no-one of anything in this thread

 

[tigertim]

Sorry dude, you've convinced no-one of anything in this thread

He,s convinced us of 1 thing.........

 

[Disco08]

Burning jet fuel could ignite the imaginary thermite.

Really? Can you explain how?

So boys - neither of you willing to have a go at listing some evidence that supports OBL being the mastermind?

 

[AngryAnt]

Really? Can you explain how?

So boys - neither of you willing to have a go at listing some evidence that supports OBL being the mastermind?

Dude, there is absolutely no evidence either physical or circumstantial that any of the buildings were brought down by thermite, or demolition explosives. This is why the 9/11 Commission never investigated this "theory". I suggest you get past this point.

As for OBL, perhaps the fact that all the terrorists that flew the planes into the buildings were all card carrying members of Al Qaeda, the terrorist organisation that Bin Laden led?

He also released a video in 2004 claiming responsibility. I can find no video of Bush, Larry S and Rumsfeld claiming responsibility but if you turn one up on a wacky 9/11 site, get back to me.

 

[Disco08]

Dude, there is absolutely no evidence either physical or circumstantial that any of the buildings were brought down by thermite, or demolition explosives. This is why the 9/11 Commission never investigated this "theory". I suggest you get past this point.

:rofl

As for OBL, perhaps the fact that all the terrorists that flew the planes into the buildings were all card carrying members of Al Qaeda, the terrorist organisation that Bin Laden led?

He also released a video in 2004 claiming responsibility. I can find no video of Bush, Larry S and Rumsfeld claiming responsibility but if you turn one up on a wacky 9/11 site, get back to me.

Yet there are inconsistent and seemingly forged confessions predating the 2004 one. Why? The Bush's, Cheney's, Rumsfeld's and Bin Laden's were friends right?

Then there's the peculiar reports of funding from Pakistan. Where's your definitive proof?

http://www.911myths.com/html/pakistan_s_isi_link_to_9_11_fu.html