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[Liverpool]

I think it's a disgrace this woman has topped herself and laid the blame at the feet of others.

Call me a bastard but I have no sympathy for those that commit suicide, and to try to pass the act off as the fault of someone else is p!ss poor.

This woman has been made into a martyr. She committed an illegal act. It's no-one elses fault but hers.

I don't have sympathy for people who commit suicide either as I think its a pretty selfish attitude, especially when she has children and a family.
Nothing could make me go and top myself as nothing is ever that bad or even worth it that someone should resort to this action.
You're dead a long time.

As for the suicide note....I thought she left a couple and in one she blamed the hospital itself?

Silly prank.
It's a tragic situation.
But really, didn't she just transfer the call to another ward? It's not like she gave out any confidential information of any patient. I could understand it a bit more if it was the nurse who gave away patient information, but she didn't.
Obviously she was stressed. From work? Did the hospital do a review and give her what for? Were there any other personal issues at play that contributed?
I think there's a bit more than meets the eye with this.

That's right mate...she wasn't the one who divulged information and was the nurde who simply diverted the call.
You don't top yourself over that so there were definitely underlying issues and if it wasn't the prank call that sent her over the edge, then it would have been something else that finally did it.

 

[Rosy]

As for the suicide note....I thought she left a couple and in one she blamed the hospital itself?

I read she was critical of the staff not the hospital. Big difference. Just shows how we shouldn't read too much, or make assumptions, without knowing facts.

 

[Liverpool]

I read she was critical of the staff not the hospital. Big difference. Just shows how we shouldn't read too much, or make assumptions, without knowing facts.

That's pedantic...the staff ARE the hospital, Rosy....otherwise its just a building.

 

[Rosy]

Nothing could make me go and top myself as nothing is ever that bad or even worth it that someone should resort to this action.

Easy to say when life's good and you're of sound mind (well some of us are :hihi ) I bet many who've taken their lives would have though the same way once. It's a different thing when you're in a situation where you feel you can't cope or can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Probably not a rational thought process, and it's a very drastic action, but they often aren't in a rational frame of mind at the time unfortunately.

 

[Rosy]

That's pedantic...the staff ARE the hospital, Rosy....otherwise its just a building.

Crap. Could be a situation where the powers to be, ie her employees, were very supportive, as they claim, but other workers, her peers, weren't. I don't know and don't think it's right to assume but the article I read indicated it was more a case of the latter.

 

[Freezer]

Out of interest did you base that tirade on the tiny mention in that article or has there been more substantial evidence provided that it was actually the case? Surely you'd need to know reasons given and what the letter actually said before labelling her a disgrace. The article was more a throwaway line than an informative record of the action.

I wouldn't call you a "bastard" but I reckon it's a very sad attitude. Suicide is a very sad situation that can stir up a range of emotions.

I don't think the woman is being made to be a martyr. If this person felt it was a course of action she had to take due to others' harassment of her it's even sadder.

They didn't make her do it but she wouldn't be in the same position without them doing what they did.

It's in the media over here. One note blamed the DJ's, another blamed hospital staff and the other was for her family. Seems it was everyone else's fault.

 

[Rosy]

It's in the media over here. One note blamed the DJ's, another blamed hospital staff and the other was for her family. Seems it was everyone else's fault.

Does it say what constitutes "blamed"? Did she claim it was actually their fault or did she mention them as a factor in her decision?

 

[Liverpool]

It's in the media over here. One note blamed the DJ's, another blamed hospital staff and the other was for her family. Seems it was everyone else's fault.

That's right mate....the DJ prank was maybe the final straw that broke the camel's back (or maybe it was the hospital giving her a rollicking in the office afterwards? :don't know ) but for anyone to blame the DJs for her committing suicide or that the prank was the only reason or even the main cause, are clutching at straws.

 

[Rosy]

That's right mate....the DJ prank was maybe the final straw that broke the camel's back (or maybe it was the hospital giving her a rollicking in the office afterwards? :don't know ) but for anyone to blame the DJs for her committing suicide or that the prank was the only reason or even the main cause, are clutching at straws.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that's the case.? Seems to me it's more like you clutching at straws. Understandable I suppose when facts have never been a strong point in your arguments.

 

[Liverpool]

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that's the case.? Seems to me it's more like you clutching at straws. Understandable I suppose when facts have never been a strong point in your arguments.

I said "MAYBE"...can you read my posts before trying the personal snide remarks?? :scold

And like Freezer said:

It's in the media over here. One note blamed the DJ's, another blamed hospital staff and the other was for her family. Seems it was everyone else's fault.

....which is what I had read also.

 

[Willo]

Easy to say when life's good and you're of sound mind (well some of us are :hihi ) I bet many who've taken their lives would have though the same way once. It's a different thing when you're in a situation where you feel you can't cope or can't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Probably not a rational thought process, and it's a very drastic action, but they often aren't in a rational frame of mind at the time unfortunately.

That's the thing. Not too many rational people of sound mind would take such a drastic step. There might be cases of people with a terminal illness, being rational, make such a decision, but generally you'd think it's not rational. It's selfish, leaving loved ones behind to deal with the grief and aftermath. But not knowing all the contributing factors makes the rest hard to comprehend, let alone judge.
Regardless, I pity the poor family that are left to deal with it all.

 

[smasha]

Richmond is our anti depressant. ;D

 

[Streak]

I personally am having trouble with the real feelings of the two DJs.

I cannot work out how genuine they are or if they are telling the whole truth.

I do not hold them responsible for what happened. I would have to think the nurse had other issues and that this tipped her over the edge.

But I get the impression that the DJs are not telling the truth and trying to shift the blame onto faceless others. And it seems the radio station is struggling withwho knew what and approved what.

I can't say for sure as I have never been in a remotely similar situation, but if I was I think I'd focus on telling the truth. Maybe they are,but the issue sits uneasily with me since seeing them interviewed.

 

[Rosy]

I said "MAYBE"...can you read my posts before trying the personal snide remarks?? :scold

I did read that before I responded. Reasonable to ask if you had any evidence to support the maybe. We could come up with a million hypotheticals but I don't see much use in speculating.

 

[Rosy]

That's the thing. Not too many rational people of sound mind would take such a drastic step. There might be cases of people with a terminal illness, being rational, make such a decision, but generally you'd think it's not rational. It's selfish, leaving loved ones behind to deal with the grief and aftermath.

I don't quite get you there sorry willo. If people aren't of sound or rational mind you think they're selfish taking their life? Depression does strange things to people. It might seem selfish but maybe they weren't in a position to see another option at the time. I've known far too many people who've taken their life and always think if only they could have hung on a few minutes, slept on it, talked to a friend, seen a doctor etc. It's so final and no doubt it stirs a range of emotions in people.

 

[Willo]

I don't quite get you there sorry willo. If people aren't of sound or rational mind you think they're selfish taking their life? Depression does strange things to people. It might seem selfish but maybe they weren't in a position to see another option at the time. I've known far too many people who've taken their life and always think if only they could have hung on a few minutes, slept on it, talked to a friend, seen a doctor etc. It's so final and no doubt it stirs a range of emotions in people.

Yes I do think it's a selfish decision. It gives no thought to the people left behind to deal with it. Whether they're of sound mind or not.
I did qualify that and say though that some people with a terminal illness still being rational and of sound mind making such a decision, that I can understand to a degree.
But there are other times that defy comprehension.
From (personal) experience, I believe you can be irrational and still make selfish decisions. The same as you can be rational and make them.
My thoughts only, some no doubt will disagree.

As to the second part of your post I totally agree. I've felt then and still do, the same way. Often times the people left behind have some sense of guilt. Should I have noticed something, was there something I could have said or done. Why. If only..I still ask myself the same question on nearly a daily basis. It is so final.

 

[Freezer]

According to media reports, the nurse tried to kill herself twice last year (overdose and jumped from a building) and was on strong anti-depressants.

I wonder if the DJ's will get blamed for those as well...?!

 

[Streak]

According to media reports, the nurse tried to kill herself twice last year (overdose and jumped from a building) and was on strong anti-depressants.

I wonder if the DJ's will get blamed for those as well...?!

It is all starting to get very murky.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I don't quite get you there sorry willo. If people aren't of sound or rational mind you think they're selfish taking their life? Depression does strange things to people. It might seem selfish but maybe they weren't in a position to see another option at the time. I've known far too many people who've taken their life and always think if only they could have hung on a few minutes, slept on it, talked to a friend, seen a doctor etc. It's so final and no doubt it stirs a range of emotions in people.

Suicide to escape emotional pain is a tragedy, but to leave notes behind which blame others and intentionally cause them to feel guilt adds selfishness to the mix IMO.

 

[Rosy]

Suicide to escape emotional pain is a tragedy, but to leave notes behind which blame others and intentionally cause them to feel guilt adds selfishness to the mix IMO.

Maybe. Are you referring to this situation? Do you know what the notes said, how they were intended to be taken and how people were blamed? Not sure suicide notes are written to intentionally cause guilt if they're written by someone in a very fragile state of mind. I do know, upsetting as they can be, suicide notes can help bring closure to the family. It's an awful feeing when there's no note and nobody can even guess the circumstances.