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2024 - List Management
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The bottom line is if we or any club want pick 3 then you are going to pay overs for it.
All the talk is We are asking for pick 14 for Baker when the Barass trade gets done. Instead of taking pick 14 we do the above.
Its effectively
WCE Baker, 14, 18. Tiges 3, 30. i think they have pick 26 atm so 3 and 26.
The discount to them is they effectively get Baker for about pick 23. which is about 345 points.
I think port have officially said he isn’t going anywhere. Not that it means much these days
what do we need this draft?
I have it as:
4-5 mids
1-2 Small forwards
1 Ruck
1-2 Talls
I have it as:
4-5 mids
1-2 Small forwards
1 Ruck
1-2 Talls
I reckon more often than not its code for "this claim magically increases his market value"I think port have officially said he isn’t going anywhere. Not that it means much these days
I looked at that and first thought, that's a bit much, we aren't going to take that many. Then I stopped, read it again, and it's probably very close to the mark. Just depends if were going to do all that now, or split part of it across 25 i reckon.
Ghost of Punt Road
Tiger Champion
So I can't find the current Tigers list, but am trying to recall how many list spots we have. Given 8 good draft picks and the 1 pick in PSD and rookie draft, we'd need some room.
Grimes
Martin
Baker
Rioli
Naismith
Bolton
Graham
Pickett
8 spots without delisting.....I suspect we'd want another spot at least.
Grimes
Martin
Baker
Rioli
Naismith
Bolton
Graham
Pickett
8 spots without delisting.....I suspect we'd want another spot at least.
Might roll a pick or 2 into 2025. Our end of 1st or start of 2nd round are handy picks
4 OOC on the primary list.
Yep 8 gone, with 2 list spots swallowed in the MSD, so essentially we have 6 spots on the main / rookie list currently, with 4 out of contract, Kmac, Cumbo, Coulthard and Dow. I reckon we keep 1 of them, probably Kmac, and end up with 9 list spots.
Aim to trade up for 2, takes us down to 7 draft picks, trade 1 into 2025 for a F1 (Geelong, Hawks, Dogs are options I suspect), takes us to 6 live picks, possibly our NGA grad and then 2 remaining list spots for the rookie draft / train on players.
Blair's had a great trade period. I think once he finalises the Rioli and Bolton trades and hopefully gets us Pick 2, I think his focus will be on maximising the salaries we can push into 2025. I would expect all of Taranto, Hopper and Short will have their salary profiles adjusted to get more $'s into 2025.
We will leave ourselves wide open for the cap going into 2026, so that we can either go after free agents in 2025 or 2026 but also leave a big warchest to go after more picks next year by salary / pick trading which is expected to come in next year with the change to the draft rules. There would be plenty of teams at the top that would think about throwing draft picks away to maintain their current lists.
We will leave ourselves wide open for the cap going into 2026, so that we can either go after free agents in 2025 or 2026 but also leave a big warchest to go after more picks next year by salary / pick trading which is expected to come in next year with the change to the draft rules. There would be plenty of teams at the top that would think about throwing draft picks away to maintain their current lists.
He may still have a deal or 2 before he hangs up the draft and trade board Posh.
We still have live pick trade days and on the draft night itself to do some deals.
List management is a constant, rolling game of whack-a-mole.
In addition to standard list management efforts for the entire list, I judge a team's prospects based on their young, elite pillars. You can fill in the gaps later. The challenge is finding enough pillars within a narrow age window.
2 x Brownlow mids (or thereabouts)
1 x Coleman fwd
1 x best tall back in the comp
E.g. Cotchin, Dusty, Jack, Rance.
All 4 were the best in their position on their day. All 4 captained the club (3 in a formal leadership role). All 4 grew up together as one club players for over 10 years. All 4 were externally recognised as "the best" individually in their positions by the middle of their career.
Early picks give you that ability to confirm you've found a pillar, to go from potential to proven, and to then shift your strategy to encircling them with complimentary role players. That's why you want early picks.
Few clubs can find enough young, elite pillars within a similar age range who also have genuine leadership traits and also demonstrate elite competence early in their careers. Melb and Bris ticked those boxes 5 years ago.
It's easy to fill in the gaps around a quality young core - you get over 5 years to try! And try we did. We swung and missed on the Chris Yarran trade one year, but it didn't matter because our pillars were young enough that we had the opportunity to keep trying to fill those gaps. We then got Prestia/Caddy/Nank, found specific roles for rookies, and later added Lynch.
All of those decisions were made after knowing what we were building around. What do we know today?
Gibcus has shown potential to be one of the next pillars, but he's currently unproven. If he dominates next year, then this becomes easier. It means we need to find 2 x mids and 1 coleman quality forward before we shift our attention to filling in the gaps.
Until then, we just need to continue making reasonable, informed decisions on a regular basis over time and keep working at providing the best environment possible.
In addition to standard list management efforts for the entire list, I judge a team's prospects based on their young, elite pillars. You can fill in the gaps later. The challenge is finding enough pillars within a narrow age window.
2 x Brownlow mids (or thereabouts)
1 x Coleman fwd
1 x best tall back in the comp
E.g. Cotchin, Dusty, Jack, Rance.
All 4 were the best in their position on their day. All 4 captained the club (3 in a formal leadership role). All 4 grew up together as one club players for over 10 years. All 4 were externally recognised as "the best" individually in their positions by the middle of their career.
Early picks give you that ability to confirm you've found a pillar, to go from potential to proven, and to then shift your strategy to encircling them with complimentary role players. That's why you want early picks.
Few clubs can find enough young, elite pillars within a similar age range who also have genuine leadership traits and also demonstrate elite competence early in their careers. Melb and Bris ticked those boxes 5 years ago.
It's easy to fill in the gaps around a quality young core - you get over 5 years to try! And try we did. We swung and missed on the Chris Yarran trade one year, but it didn't matter because our pillars were young enough that we had the opportunity to keep trying to fill those gaps. We then got Prestia/Caddy/Nank, found specific roles for rookies, and later added Lynch.
All of those decisions were made after knowing what we were building around. What do we know today?
Gibcus has shown potential to be one of the next pillars, but he's currently unproven. If he dominates next year, then this becomes easier. It means we need to find 2 x mids and 1 coleman quality forward before we shift our attention to filling in the gaps.
Until then, we just need to continue making reasonable, informed decisions on a regular basis over time and keep working at providing the best environment possible.
So RFC currently tonight has 32 contracted players including 7 rookies.
Short Gibcus Miller
Green Balta Vlastuin
Broad Hopper Banks
Mansell Koschitzke Ross
Lynch Ryan M Rioli
Nankervis Taranto Prestia
Ralphsmith Sonsie Smith Brown
( McAuliffe Fawcett Clarke)
Rookies:
Campbell* Tresize*
blight* lefau* Gray* Young* Bauer*
Cat B:
Am I right?, could anyone confirm?
Short Gibcus Miller
Green Balta Vlastuin
Broad Hopper Banks
Mansell Koschitzke Ross
Lynch Ryan M Rioli
Nankervis Taranto Prestia
Ralphsmith Sonsie Smith Brown
( McAuliffe Fawcett Clarke)
Rookies:
Campbell* Tresize*
blight* lefau* Gray* Young* Bauer*
Cat B:
Am I right?, could anyone confirm?
I see Jack Bytel has been delisted by the Pies , think I’m right saying he had back issues early at the Saints , played well against us and looked ok , would he be worth a look as a DFA ? And does he lack a yard
Cumbo tried but was never really AFL standard. Coulthard more a disappointment as he had talent but went missing too often.
Looks like Dow gets a 1 year contract.
Looks like Dow gets a 1 year contract.
